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unknown marks
Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2022 7:56 am
by R ingo
Hello,
a friend of mine got an old silver spoon an ask me to help him. The spoon looks to me like made in the Netherlands, so I would like to ask you for some help.
I have no idea, if the spoon is an original or if he was made later.
Kind regards, Ringo

Re: unknown marks
Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2022 8:04 am
by oel
Hi Ringo,
My opinion an original old spoon, made in the Dutch city of Hoorn. The town mark is based on the coat of arms a music horn on a bow. See:
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=32028
The year letter is not clear to me, could be a D ?, the faded mark is the provincial standard mark, province of Holland, the lion rampant in shield under crown, introduced in the year 1663 . The maker's mark, I will check later, most likely unidentified.
Best,
Peter.
Re: unknown marks
Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2022 12:49 pm
by R ingo
Hello Peter,
I thank you very much for your help. Sadly it is not my spoon.
Best wishes,
Ringo
Re: Occasional spoon Hoorn
Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2022 1:49 pm
by oel
The fig-shaped bowl merges directly into the flat molded stem. The stem is crowned by a double profile edge and a flower bud. This type of spoon was only made in the cities of Enhuizen and Hoorn. The maker's mark is possibly a bell (?), for; Claes and Reynier Bel, both registered in Hoorn, Reynier 1657....... and Claes 1667-1684. Reynier and Claes were known makers of this type of spoons. Perhaps the maker's mark is a cramp-iron, registered unknown 1637-1674, or a flower stem unidentified 1670...
Is it possible to get a clear, enhanced image of the year letter?
Indeed a rare and old occasion spoon.
Enjoy the weekend, regards,
Peter.
Source; Nederlands Klein Zilver B.W.G. Wttewaall jaar 1987 ISBN 90 6133 120 X
Re: unknown marks
Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2022 1:35 pm
by R ingo
Hello Peter,
I thank you very much.
I have only one Foto of the date letter. I think, it is not good enough. I have the spoon not here. But I think I can tomorrow make a better Foto.
Best wishes,
Ringo
Re: unknown marks
Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2022 3:19 pm
by oel
Hi Ringo,
While you are at it, could you please give us the exact length and weight of the spoon. Thanks.
Peter.
Re: unknown marks
Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2022 3:18 pm
by R ingo
Hello Peter,
I hope tomorrow I can give the exact length and weight of the spoon to you.
Best wishes,
Ringo
Re: unknown marks
Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2022 1:40 pm
by R ingo
Hello Peter,
exuse me for the late answer.
The spoon is 18,5 cm long and weights 45,8 g.
Here a better Foto of the marks.
Best wishes,
Ringo

Re: unknown marks
Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2022 11:51 am
by oel
Hi, thanks, the weight compared to the length is correct for this type of ornamental spoon. I am waiting for some feedback regarding this spoon of one of my sparring partners. What can you tell about the provenance of this spoon, has it been a family piece?
Enjoy the festive season.
Peter.
Re: unknown marks
Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2022 3:14 pm
by R ingo
Hello Peter,
sorry for my late answer. The spoon comes from Hallig Hooge, North Frisia. But nobody knows, wether the spoon was a family objekt or was bought later.
Regards,
Ringo