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Forks with 2 marks
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 11:30 pm
by moonshine
Re: Forks with 2 marks
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 5:05 am
by AG2012
Hi,
Two prong serving fork. The missing city mark was not uncommon for London,especially for flatware and small items.
Regards.
Re: Forks with 2 marks
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 5:27 am
by agphile
I cannot help with the maker's mark. With no King's Head duty mark the fork must be prior to 1784. Perhaps a maker in a lost register. Unusual to be marked above the tines rather than on the stem.
You write of forks in the plural. Is this one of a set? And what size is the fork? Looks quite small. Possibly some sort of sweetmeat fork rather than a serving fork. In any event, unusual for English silver of the period.
Re: Forks with 2 marks
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 5:31 am
by agphile
A quick afterthought. Could it be an altered spoon? There is a little notch between the tines that intrudes on the pattern suggesting that something has happened there.
Re: Forks with 2 marks
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 5:56 am
by dognose
Hi,
Regarding the unusual positioning of the marks. Between about 1770 and 1780 Goldsmiths Hall performed several experiments on hallmark positioning. An article was published in 'The Finial' (Vol.14/06) by Anthony Dove, in it he illustrates a four tined fork by Thomas Heming c.1770 struck with only a Lion Passant along side the maker's mark placed at the base of the tines at the rear, and another example of similar marking on a George Smith fork c. 1775. These experiments were probably to prevent damage to the decoration that was becoming more and more popular on flatware.
Trev.
Re: Forks with 2 marks
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 6:01 am
by dognose
An example of Goldsmiths Hall experimental marking on an Old English Bead tablespoon.
Two marks only, Lion Passant and maker's mark:
X
A similar example of experimental marking, this time from the Dublin Assay Office:
X
The trend towards more decorated stems on flatware caused marking problems before the marks were moved further along the stem.
X
Trev.
Re: Forks with 2 marks
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 7:07 am
by AG2012
Hi,
Yes, traces of filing and interrupted pattern.
Suspicious, anyway.
Re: Forks with 2 marks
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 6:25 pm
by moonshine
Thank you for all your responses and great info. as always.