Swiss silver watches?

[tyvm30]

guys, please kindly give some help, i have 2 watches very similar, but don't know much about them.

1.i guess Swiss watches with 0.800 and 0.935, as one has a grouse mark, another has a bear mark.
2.how to identify the date? i did some search only narrow to 1880-1907.
3.what is the makers mark? i tried but can't find any info relative...




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many thanks

[dognose]

Hi,

Maker is Etienne Varin of Fontenais, Switzerland. The 'Saturn' mark was registered in 1887.

Trev.

[tyvm30]

Hi,

Maker is Etienne Varin of Fontenais, Switzerland. The 'Saturn' mark was registered in 1887.

Trev.

THANKS Trev

as i wonder, the mark image is bit different form 1887 registed mark, does it means this watch case was produced later than 1887? where the mark changed?