Urgend help needed

[Postnikov]

Hi -

a drinking vessel appr. 4 kilo with the faked name of J. KOPF and faked Estonian marks, silver content 875.

The vessel



The additional mark found ( which I have on a communistic object, but is complete unknown to me), silvercontent 900



The mark I have, but don´t know who it is



Who is behind this mark????

Anny help very apprechiated!

Regards
Postnikov

[glenna]

Do you mean, that the object bears only 900 silver content mark and that "special" sign in oval cartoushe?
If so, I was wrong in my suggestion, cause it based on the last picture (featuring soviet style assay office mark +"special" sign).
Sorry for that.
Of cause, you are absolutely right, that its style and quality has no resemblances to Kavkaz origin, definately European.
I am afraid, I have nothing to add.

And, because of the Christmas Eve,
I would like to wish you and everyone here
who are constantly in search for perfect and rear beauty
the most joyfull evening and Happy New Year.

Kind regards,
glenna

[Postnikov]

Hi glenna -
thank you very much for your help and your thoughts!

A Merry Chrismas (too early for you I know...) and a Happy New Year to you, your family and friends!

And please help us with your valuable contributions to create a unique Russian Silver forum in 2011.....

Kind regards
Postnikov

[dognose]

Hi Posnikov,

I'm struggling to see what is wrong with the marks, I see the Estonian Lion and the known '900' mark.

What am I missing?

Regards Trev.

[Postnikov]

Hi -

the wrong marks (faked) are not shown - only another mark found on the object. This mark is not Estonian, because Estonia always had 84 Zolotniki (under Russian rule) or 875 after the liberation.Later in 1940 it was alowed to use 8oo silver too for a short time - than Russian 84 Zolotniki was used again (history). The shown mark looks like a mark I have on a Communistic object from1957. Now I want to know if someone knows this mark and where it is from. This mysterious drinking vessel has a phantasy history with all the nonsense Herman Göring´s hunting house, stolen by the Russians etc. etc.
For me it is a more or less nice French (silver? - I do not believe) drinking vessel (KItsch period) who was hallmarked with total wrong Estonian marks (but they forgot to erase all!) and a big story - to take the money from some clueless ignorant. The old story. Now the crying is big....

Regards
Postnikov

[dognose]

Hi Posnikov,

Tardy states that '900' was a known standard. Have they got it wrong?



Regards Trev.

[Postnikov]

Hi dognose -

you are right - it is a (faked) Estonian mark. I thought it could be this mark, which I do not know.




Thanks and Regards
Postnikov

[oel]

Hi Postnikov,

The silver drinking horn (900 fineness) could have been well made in Germany/Austria Hungary/Estonia or perhaps Italy. Mid 19th century it became very popular to have copies made of old 16th century drinking horns. As you know the reason to have pseudo/fake marks on the silver horn is mostly to deceive/impress the ‘ignorant’ potential buyer. This monster of a drinking horn proves size does matter. For more info see or perhaps contact:

http://www.steveonsteins.com/in-the-near-future-2" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Regards,

Oel

[Postnikov]

Hi oel -
thank you for your valuable link - I investigate for some guy who tells me a story of: liberated by the Russians in Karinhall (Görings home) in WWII etc., etc. It bears 2 different Estonian siver content marks (875 and 800), all the punches are wrong/faked. Original marks are erased I think. It comes from the known countries which produced this "Historismus kitsch" around1880 and later with pseudo hallmarks to allow the burgeouis citizens to dekorate their homes. From Kitsch to "rare" antique object with big story - what a journey! Case closed!!!

Thanks again
Regards
Postnikov

[Qrt.S]

On behalf of Postnikov,

No Tardy is not wrong. The silver standards in the first Republic of Estonia 1924-1940 were four i.e. 800, 875, 900 and 935 . In the second republic as from 1992 the standards are still four but now 800, 830, 925 and 999.

Rgds

Qrt.S

[ARGENTUM49]

Those two hallmarks have nothing in common.They only look alike.The drinking vessel is most probably German. There are many German silver pieces without well known ``crescent and crown`` hallmark.

[Qrt.S]

Correct, the "yellow picture" has nothing to do with the drinking horn. If you look carefully on the middle picture in the set of three you can see the same Estonian lion as you see on dognose's picture on 24.12.2010 at 8.24 pm. The horn is made in Estonia between 1924-1940 and there should be a maker's mark "hidden" somewhere, it is just to find it.

[Dad]

Hi, All.

Why Postnikov has removed a photos? Members of a forum wasted time. They wanted to help him, to learn a secret of a subject. A bad act.
I will put some photos again that it was understand about what we spoke. Then I will tell the opinion.
I think much it it will be interesting.))))

"Drinking horn":

[Dad]

Hi, All.

I haven't defined where this "horn" is made. Probably it is valid: is made in Estonia between 1924-1940. As show marks. But this horn didn't leave Estonia and has been again marked in the Soviet Estonia in 1946-1954 after restoration at “Factory of Art Products” in Tallinn “(Tallinna Kunstitoodete Kombinaat”).
This “unknown” mark (KFK) belongs Tallinna Kunstitoodete Kombinaat (est) ( (Таллинский комбинат художественных изделий (rus))



Best Reg.. And nice holidays.)))

[Dad]

Ha-Ha-Ha!!! Grand mystification!

This mark's photo not from the horn shown to us. This mark from other theme:
http://925-1000.com/forum/viewtopic.php ... 72&start=0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Ai-Ai-Ai Postnikov)))