Irish Retailer Marks--Long Term Project

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Postby dognose » Sun Mar 07, 2010 10:09 am

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Postby dognose » Fri Mar 19, 2010 10:19 am

Retailer mark of BROWN on a dessert knife by George Bayly, assayed at Dublin in 1819.

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Postby Granmaa » Thu Apr 15, 2010 5:34 pm

A couple more.

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Postby dognose » Sun Apr 18, 2010 5:23 am

Hi Miles,

Thanks for that.

Walter Peter's details are in an earlier post, the other is likely to be Richard Steel Lee of 66, Abbey Street, Dublin. Richard Lee first appears in street directories in 1815, so he, or his business, appear to be quite long established.

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Postby dognose » Sat May 01, 2010 10:40 am

Noted recently, 'Finlay' on a James Le Bas spoon assayed at Dublin in 1839.

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Postby dognose » Thu Jun 03, 2010 6:54 pm

Two more names noted.

'E M & Co' on a John Smyth spoon assayed at Dublin in 1857 and 'R. Peter' on a John Smyth spoon assayed at Dublin in 1850.

Both retailer marks were struck without outline.

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Postby dognose » Sun Jun 06, 2010 6:57 am

Here is a photo of the 'E.M & Co.' mark.

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Re: Matthew West

Postby ardenode » Fri Jul 23, 2010 7:43 am

Hi, I can help you with the West family of Dublin, they are my ancestors. Firstly there are two Matthew West's.
Matthew West Snr was born 1747 and Died 1806 his mark is MW, his son Matthew West born 1777 and died 1820 his mark is M West, Jacob West born 1772 and died 1859 was his brother and grandfather of Langley Archer West whose family still own West of Grafton St in Dublin.
Jacob West was also the name of the father of Matthew West Snr, Jacob West was probably the founder of the West Silversmithing in Dublin, items with the hallmarks of IW are attributed to him as the maker.

dognose wrote:Hi,

I'm glad I'm not the only one who is confused, and this Clark&West/West/Egan piece is a prime example of what causes this confusion.

The Date letter 'L' for 1807, can be found with or without the Duty Mark. The Duty Mark was first applied to items on the 10th August 1807.

The Clark & West partnership was that of John Clark and Jacob West. This firm appear to have been in business from 1804 to 1815 and were described as 'Wholesale Goldsmiths & Jewellers' of 9, Capel Street, Dublin.
The mark of 'West' that was used from 1801-1859 is also that of Jacob West, not Matthew West. Matthew West's similar mark, as I understand it, was always prefixed with the 'M', and was in use for the period 1769 to 1827.
I'm not sure if there was any family connection between Jacob and Matthew, although I believe Matthew's fathers name was also Jacob, so our Jacob may possibly be the older brother?

Daniel Egan's mark was thought to be in use for the period 1800-1809.

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Re: Irish Retailer Marks--Long Term Project

Postby dognose » Fri Jul 23, 2010 9:31 am

Hi,

Welcome to the Forum.

Many thanks for unravelling this mystery. If I have it right, both Jacob and Matthew jnr were Alderman.

Jackson has Matthew West (who you have indentified as MW sen.) as the son of Jacob West of Kildare and apprenticed to John West in 1762 (making him around 15 years of age, which would just the right age). John West is noted as being the son of Jacob West, farmer, of Queensborough, County Kildare. Could John West be Matthew's (sen.) elder brother? He died in the same year as Matthew, 1806.

Also can you throw any light on George West, goldsmith, working in Dublin 1792-1828.

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Re: Irish Retailer Marks--Long Term Project

Postby dognose » Sat Jul 31, 2010 8:29 am

Noted recently, 'J. Hackett' without outline, on a John Smyth spoon assayed at Dublin in 1890.

This would be James Hackett of 42, Patrick Street, Cork. This business was founded in c.1820 by the grandfather of James Hackett who was also called James. In their heyday Hackett's employed over thirty workers, mostly in stone cutting and the manufacture of gold and silver jewellery.

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Re: Irish Retailer Marks--Long Term Project

Postby dognose » Wed Aug 04, 2010 5:28 pm

Here is the photo of James Hackett's mark (see above post).

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Re: Irish Retailer Marks--Long Term Project

Postby dognose » Wed Aug 25, 2010 4:50 pm

Retailer or maker?

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A silverplated table spoon marked with a British Registry Mark for the 10th January 1882 and with the name 'Polland' and 'Belfast'.

The only suspect I have for this one is Edward Polland who appears in Belfast directories as a Watchmaker of 10, Hudson Street in 1877, a Watchmaker of 108, Dover Street in 1880, a Watchmaker & Jeweller of 18, High Street in 1901 and as Edward Polland Ltd, Watchmakers & Jewellers of 18, High Street in 1907 and 1910. (Thanks to Lennon Wylie for the Belfast Directory information).

Whether or not he had the facility for producing flatware or if he had them made for him with no clue to a manufacturers name marked on them, I know not, but the piece is of a good quality.

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Re: Irish Retailer Marks--Long Term Project

Postby MCB » Thu Aug 26, 2010 6:36 am

Hello Trev,

Not having come across any silverware with a Dublin mark for Powell I wonder if he registered. If not the more likely for anything he sold which required assay to have been bought in. This would also perhaps include buying in the silverplated spoon albeit with his name already on it.
Possibly the name on the Design Register could give a clue as to who produced the spoon?

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Re: Irish Retailer Marks--Long Term Project

Postby Granmaa » Wed Sep 15, 2010 3:42 pm

An earlier example of Twycross with Power's mark. Found on a nice piece of holloware.

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Re: Irish Retailer Marks--Long Term Project

Postby Granmaa » Thu Oct 21, 2010 3:06 pm

A new and relatively modern one. Weir & Sons 1908.

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Re: Irish Retailer Marks--Long Term Project

Postby dognose » Wed Oct 27, 2010 11:21 am

Hi Miles,

That would be Thomas Weir, he arrived in Dublin from Glasgow to form a short-lived partnership with A. Rogers as 'Weir & Rogers' in 1869, but the partnership was finished by 1872.

Thomas Weir continued at the original address of 3, Wicklow Street and Weir & Sons, as the firm became known as from after 1900, still occupy the same premises today.

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Re: Irish Retailer Marks--Long Term Project

Postby Granmaa » Tue Nov 02, 2010 4:21 pm

An 1814 version of the Mullen mark with William Cummins.

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Re: Irish Retailer Marks--Long Term Project

Postby dognose » Sat Dec 11, 2010 9:35 am

Here is a mark rarely seen, that of Pim Brothers of Dublin, noted on a John Smyth teaspoon, 5 3/4" (14.5 cm) in length and 26 grams in weight, assayed at Dublin in 1878

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Pim Brothers - Dublin - 1873

Pim Brothers were primarily poplin manufacturers and drapers, but had a large department store located at 75-85 South Great George Street, and as can be seen from the advertisement below, also at Exchequer Street. Amongst the known partners of this Quaker family business were: Joseph Todhunter Pim, Richard Pim, F.W. Pim, Jonathan Pim, Thomas Pim and John Gilbert.

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Pim Brothers - Dublin - 1876

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Pim Brothers - Dublin - 1894

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Re: Irish Retailer Marks--Long Term Project

Postby dognose » Sat Feb 12, 2011 2:23 pm

This one's interesting, presumably John Sheils of Dublin being the maker and John Tolekin of Cork being the retailer.

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This mark was noted on a 7 1/4" dessert spoon, assayed at Dublin in 1803.

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Re: Irish Retailer Marks--Long Term Project

Postby dognose » Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:11 pm

An updated listing of Irish retailer marks:

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