Small Ladle - RO - Pseudo Marks
Re: Small Ladle - RO - Pseudo Marks
There is in Langdon an R.O mark that looks very similar in Langdon, your photo is a little out of focus, so I can't be sure.
He attributes the mark to Robert Osborne 1851-1869 Hamilton Ontario. The ladle certainly looks like it could be Canadian. The pseudo marks shown in Langdon are different, but those changed around a bit over the years in Canada.
Maurice
He attributes the mark to Robert Osborne 1851-1869 Hamilton Ontario. The ladle certainly looks like it could be Canadian. The pseudo marks shown in Langdon are different, but those changed around a bit over the years in Canada.
Maurice
Re: Small Ladle - RO - Pseudo Marks
Now I would say certainly Canadian I found the same pseudo marks on a piece with a different maker in Toronto, Ontario.
Maurice
Maurice
Re: Small Ladle - RO - Pseudo Marks
Hi Maurice,
Many thanks, that's a great lead. Was the other maker Judah Joseph?
Trev.
Many thanks, that's a great lead. Was the other maker Judah Joseph?
Trev.
Re: Small Ladle - RO - Pseudo Marks
Hi,
No, Henry Jackson, Joseph doesn't seem to have the same marks, but the picture in Langdon isn't very clear.
I didn't keep looking after Jackson, as his are certainly the same. I have never really studied the later Canadian silver, as I am mostly interested in the French silversmiths. I think however in some manner they often shared marks, I don't know if there was any control or not. Jackson's leopard has the same funny left ear, so either they worked together, or one inherited the marks from the other, or they were some kind of control
Maurice
No, Henry Jackson, Joseph doesn't seem to have the same marks, but the picture in Langdon isn't very clear.
I didn't keep looking after Jackson, as his are certainly the same. I have never really studied the later Canadian silver, as I am mostly interested in the French silversmiths. I think however in some manner they often shared marks, I don't know if there was any control or not. Jackson's leopard has the same funny left ear, so either they worked together, or one inherited the marks from the other, or they were some kind of control
Maurice
Re: Small Ladle - RO - Pseudo Marks
Hi Maurice,
I doubt very much that there was any local control, but the possibility of sharing of punches, or perhaps the more likely scenario that one person was the maker, be it Osborne, Jackson, or even another maker that supplied both, ready made with their mark, is very possible.
The ladle is not mine, I'm seeking the information for a third party. I'll try to obtain a sharper image from them.
Trev.
I doubt very much that there was any local control, but the possibility of sharing of punches, or perhaps the more likely scenario that one person was the maker, be it Osborne, Jackson, or even another maker that supplied both, ready made with their mark, is very possible.
The ladle is not mine, I'm seeking the information for a third party. I'll try to obtain a sharper image from them.
Trev.
Re: Small Ladle - RO - Pseudo Marks
By local control, I wasn't referring to official control, but agreements between silversmiths themselves.
There is some evidence, and certainly it makes sense for silversmiths in a community to agree among themselves to keep a certain standard. I think that is a possible explanation for mark sharing.
With a clearer photo of the RO mark, it should be possible to make a comparison, but it is certainly Canadian.
Maurice
There is some evidence, and certainly it makes sense for silversmiths in a community to agree among themselves to keep a certain standard. I think that is a possible explanation for mark sharing.
With a clearer photo of the RO mark, it should be possible to make a comparison, but it is certainly Canadian.
Maurice
Re: Small Ladle - RO - Pseudo Marks
The R.O is the same as shown in Langdon attributed to Robert Osborne. With this maker's mark are a lion, a beaver in a very odd cartouche, and a right facing Queen Victoria. There are two other marks shown for him: a R.O. with strong similarities to your mark, and a rather indistinct sovereign head and a beaver, and a R. Osbourne with different indistinct pseudo marks. The R. Osbourne mark shows very little similarity to either R.O mark, (pellet instead of period, etc) but if Langdon's attribution is correct it is presumably just caused by different die cutters.
Maurice
Maurice
Re: Small Ladle - RO - Pseudo Marks
Hi Maurice,
Many thanks for the information, it's appreciated.
Trev.
Many thanks for the information, it's appreciated.
Trev.