Swedish Jernbolaget Eskilstuna

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Swedish Jernbolaget Eskilstuna

Postby billkaras353 » Sat Jan 28, 2012 12:16 pm

My Grandmother also gave us a 1773 Swedish Jernbolaget Eskilstuna Vintage Sterling Silver Meat Carving Set. We are haning a difficult time location the first and second Hallmarks.

1st symbol is a "T" with a "p" to the right and a backwards "p" on the left. The 2nd symbol- Two towers right next to each other. The 3rd symbol- a capital "P". I found the "P" Hallmark to mean made in Sweden in 1773 from internet research.

Can anyone help me identify the first and second hallmarks please?

Here are two pictures:

Knife Hallmark
http://i1144.photobucket.com/albums/o481/billkaras353/DSC02620.jpg

1773 Swedish Jernbolaget Eskilstuna Knife and Folk Carving Set
http://i1144.photobucket.com/albums/o481/billkaras353/DSC02616.jpg

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Re: Swedish Jernbolaget Eskilstuna

Postby Qrt.S » Sat Jan 28, 2012 2:29 pm

I hope you want be disappointed but your set is not from Sweden only the steel parts are. The shafts are made in Copenhagen in Denmark. In addition they are not in silver but silver plated. The two tower's mark is the Danish symbol for plate. The Danish silver mark is three towers.
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Re: Swedish Jernbolaget Eskilstuna

Postby Qrt.S » Sat Jan 28, 2012 2:31 pm

Forgot the to mention the time span. The P is not a year mark. Your set is much younger. It is from the latter part of the 19th century.
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Re: Swedish Jernbolaget Eskilstuna

Postby 2209patrick » Sat Jan 28, 2012 2:52 pm

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Re: Swedish Jernbolaget Eskilstuna

Postby Qrt.S » Sun Jan 29, 2012 2:00 am

Dear 2209patrick, I hope I really do that you are not trying to insinuate that the two tower mark to the right in your link would indicate silver. The Danish two towers mark is not a silver mark but a plate mark as I mentioned in the first place. It is not the only fault/mistake in 925. Let's hope our Danish member hose will drop in and verify.
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Re: Swedish Jernbolaget Eskilstuna

Postby Hose_dk » Sun Jan 29, 2012 2:58 am

Patricks link to silver mark is to show that 2 towers is plated. Look at the mark to right - it is the plated mark 2-towers.

The P is for Plet Danish for silver plated - all of P marked is electro plated most often with brass as base material but also alpacca.

The DFA is for Dansk Forsølvnings Anstalt.
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Re: Swedish Jernbolaget Eskilstuna

Postby dognose » Sun Jan 29, 2012 4:55 am

Hi Qrt.s,

There is no mistake on the Danish page, the legend underneath states, in red letters:

(note: the last mark illustrated, the two towers, was used only, on silverplated ware, ca. 1890s to 1930s)

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Re: Swedish Jernbolaget Eskilstuna

Postby Qrt.S » Sun Jan 29, 2012 8:48 am

I'm deeply sorry guys, I'm getting old and it seems to that I have to buy new glasses ;-)))
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Re: Swedish Jernbolaget Eskilstuna

Postby 2209patrick » Sun Jan 29, 2012 9:18 am

Hi Qrt.s,

I was trying to give info on the two tower silverplate mark's dating.
I should have said that in my post.

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Re: Swedish Jernbolaget Eskilstuna

Postby Qrt.S » Sun Jan 29, 2012 9:35 am

Yes 2209patrick, I understand that now but for a second I thought something else. As I mentioned, sorry about it. However, just to link without any explanations is not advisable but you already noticed that. It is also not either advisable to show silver plate marks in sites where you talk about silver hallmarks. It only causes confusion as it did in this case. Silver plate is silver plate and silver is silver. The famous writer Rudyard Kipling once stated: "East is east and west is west and never shall they meet". The same goes for silver and silver plate. Let's forget this deplorable two tower case.
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Re: Swedish Jernbolaget Eskilstuna #2

Postby billkaras353 » Sun Jan 29, 2012 9:39 am

Thank you kindly for helping my wife and I identify the knife and folk hallmarks. You are an amazing group!

As we grow older we realize the importance of researching our valued "family" possessions so our daughters will understand what we are leaving them when we pass... thus the search continues.

While the steel parts (blade and folk) is manufactured by Jernbolaget Eskilstuna in Sweden and the shafts (handles) are silver plated and made in Copenhagen in Denmark...

Qrt.S, you stated they are from the latter part of the 19th century. How do we identify the year they were maunfactured and the name of the manufacture?

Lastly and respectfully, what about the top symbol ("T" with a "p" to the right and a backwards "p" on the left)? What does that mean?

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Re: Swedish Jernbolaget Eskilstuna

Postby Qrt.S » Sun Jan 29, 2012 10:00 am

To give an exact manufacturing year is close to impossible. However, the outlook/style tells me that it must be from the latter part of 19th century. To my understanding Hose gave you the answer regarding the top mark and manufacturer in his reply, but otherwise I don't quite catch you?

(DFA means Danish Plating Institute)
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Re: Swedish Jernbolaget Eskilstuna #2

Postby billkaras353 » Sun Jan 29, 2012 10:19 am

"The DFA is for Dansk Forsølvnings Anstalt."

Qrt.S,

I did not understand that was the top mark and manufacture (DFA means Danish Plating Institute).

Thank you.

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Re: Swedish Jernbolaget Eskilstuna

Postby Qrt.S » Sun Jan 29, 2012 10:53 am

No problem, you're welcome Bill
Have a nice evening

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Re: Swedish Jernbolaget Eskilstuna

Postby Hose_dk » Mon Jan 30, 2012 2:11 pm

Style of silver(plate) is called skønvirke - the special Danish version of jugend. 2 towers is 1893 untill 1930ties.
Skønvirke is 1895 untill approx 1920. Pattern could be made after 1920 but as we have 2 towers no longer than 10 years. My guess is 1910.
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