Britisch provincial?
Britisch provincial?
Dear forum,
Does anybody know this maker?
I am the owner of a leather 'blackjack' with a silver mounth.
To me it looks quit early. The silver mounth is marked only with a lion, walking to the left and a makersmark IP.
Because there are no other marks, I think it is maybe Brithisch Provincial.
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Does anybody know this maker?
I am the owner of a leather 'blackjack' with a silver mounth.
To me it looks quit early. The silver mounth is marked only with a lion, walking to the left and a makersmark IP.
Because there are no other marks, I think it is maybe Brithisch Provincial.
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Hi Athos,
The origins of Blackjacks go back to medieval times and they were still popular up to the end of the 17th, early 18thcentury, they were much loved items and often the silver that was applied was a reflection of the owners improved wealth, so as you said, this rim could well be a later addition.
I'm not sure of the protocol on the Hallmarks that were applied to such items, it may well be that the Maker's mark and the Lion Passant was the only marks used, if this was the case then London should not be discounted.
Regards Trev.
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The origins of Blackjacks go back to medieval times and they were still popular up to the end of the 17th, early 18thcentury, they were much loved items and often the silver that was applied was a reflection of the owners improved wealth, so as you said, this rim could well be a later addition.
I'm not sure of the protocol on the Hallmarks that were applied to such items, it may well be that the Maker's mark and the Lion Passant was the only marks used, if this was the case then London should not be discounted.
Regards Trev.
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This is the first blackjack l have ever seen, it does appear to have some age to it, the trouble is the makers mark I P is a very common one and where the lion is well rubbed l find it very difficult to see if it is london or not, maybe the town mark has been rubbed, are there any signs of a town mark ? the reson l ask is to the right of the lion appears to be an indentation or is it just a reflection ?
Anyway thanks for the photo at last l have seen one.
Regards
Nigel
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This is the first blackjack l have ever seen, it does appear to have some age to it, the trouble is the makers mark I P is a very common one and where the lion is well rubbed l find it very difficult to see if it is london or not, maybe the town mark has been rubbed, are there any signs of a town mark ? the reson l ask is to the right of the lion appears to be an indentation or is it just a reflection ?
Anyway thanks for the photo at last l have seen one.
Regards
Nigel
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The blackjack is almost certainly 18thc and the silver rim... which I suggest is by Joseph Preedy of London is almost certainly a later addition. Have seen a few of these with similar silver mounts...none of which appear to fit well. I believe this is because the wear at the top of the blackjack through use, prevents successful perfect matching. They have all borne the same initals of IP... Only one was attributed to Joseph Preedy but I think that is enough evidence to suggest he is a contender for the work.
Best wishes, Mike.
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Best wishes, Mike.
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