Spoon "I Warner" Boxed w/Bird Back Bowl

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Spoon "I Warner" Boxed w/Bird Back Bowl

Postby Traintime » Sun May 19, 2019 10:23 pm

The "I" remains questionable. Feel free to deport Mr. Warner to any other forum or banish him to the neverlands of platers if need be. TIA

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Re: Spoon "I Warner" Boxed w/Bird Back Bowl

Postby Traintime » Sun May 19, 2019 10:25 pm

Set 2:

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Re: Spoon "I Warner" Boxed w/Bird Back Bowl

Postby silverly » Sun May 19, 2019 11:27 pm

Looks like Joseph Warner Pennsylvania and Delaware to me.

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Re: Spoon "I Warner" Boxed w/Bird Back Bowl

Postby Traintime » Mon May 20, 2019 2:09 am

Fits the written description. Pellet is present, appears to sit slightly above centered here. I'm seeing working period of 1768-1792.

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Re: Spoon "I Warner" Boxed w/Bird Back Bowl

Postby Traintime » Mon May 20, 2019 2:32 am

Photos of Joseph Warner marks showing variations with dual (over-under) pellets: http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~silversm ... /53223.htm

WEV placed additional bio material on SilverSalon Forums.

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Re: Spoon "I Warner" Boxed w/Bird Back Bowl

Postby Traintime » Mon May 20, 2019 3:35 am

More Warner family bio (at page 15) notes Joseph and his sons as boat operators and commercial traders, with not one word of silversmithing mentioned: http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~wynkoop/ ... rnerfn.htm

There are also dentistry industry references for John Warner gold & silversmith making dental related equipment around Philly circa 1830's-1840's.

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Re: Spoon "I Warner" Boxed w/Bird Back Bowl

Postby samtron76df » Tue May 21, 2019 1:10 pm

very nice spoons.

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Re: Spoon "I Warner" Boxed w/Bird Back Bowl

Postby Aguest » Tue May 21, 2019 9:44 pm

Do you think the bird is a turkey? :: I always thought Ben Franklin wanted the USA national bird to be the turkey, but apparently that is just a myth, but nevertheless the bird on your spoon is interesting in a historical context :::::

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Re: Spoon "I Warner" Boxed w/Bird Back Bowl

Postby Traintime » Wed May 22, 2019 12:17 am

Good question! I took it to be something fairly innocuous, but upon reflection it might relate to events surrounding the revolution or the Federalist movement. It's highly reflective so I'll try to re-shoot the bird in better light. The head has a trailing comb that swoops back and upward...like a greaser with a D.A. posing in a '46 Ford Convertible. Goshawk, Ruffled Grouse, Turkey Vulture, Pheasant and the extinct Passenger Pigeon all seem to be dead issues (pun intended). And the tail terminates within the wing folds. We must not forget the feathered pantaloons on those chicken legs..a very Colonial pair of knickers.

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Re: Spoon "I Warner" Boxed w/Bird Back Bowl

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Re: Spoon "I Warner" Boxed w/Bird Back Bowl

Postby Traintime » Wed May 22, 2019 1:04 am

And the recent "R. Parker Eagle Back": viewtopic.php?f=3&t=52996

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Re: Spoon "I Warner" Boxed w/Bird Back Bowl

Postby Traintime » Wed May 22, 2019 5:58 am

Another Bird Back (Verso) Bowl with suggested source: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=36931&p=98828&hilit=philadelphia+eagle#p98828

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Re: Spoon "I Warner" Boxed w/Bird Back Bowl

Postby samtron76df » Wed May 22, 2019 4:35 pm

I don't think the R Parker spoon is an Eagle back. Someone described that design as a "pea foul".

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Re: Spoon "I Warner" Boxed w/Bird Back Bowl

Postby Traintime » Thu May 23, 2019 3:51 pm

I'm not so sure about "Eagles" myself. Would be nice if they were proto-Eagles leading toward the psuedo-hallmark designs of Eagle Head boxed and thence full-bird encircled, but that would be tough to prove. Tried some more shots to pick up details:

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