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Who is who?

Postby Goldstein » Wed Jun 13, 2018 4:52 am

Hi -

found a large salver from St. Petersburg 1857. Maker´s mark HH (Lat.) Henrik Hacklin or HH (Kyr.) Nikitin Nikolaj - depending how you read it. PL show the cartousche in an oval (#1365 and #1675) Who is it?

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Re: Who is who?

Postby AG2012 » Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:57 am

Hi,

Found this mark on my salt cellar and both marks compared from PL.
Similar mid 19th century neo - Baroque style.

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The mark is attributed to Henrik Hacklin by Skurlov.

ХАКЛИН Генрих, (р. 1816 г. в Финляндии, ум. 1879 г.), в 1840 г. был подмастерьем в СПб, в 1846 г. СДМ, в 1849 г. имел мастерскую и 5 учеников. Постникова—Лосева: клеймо № 1675.

Also this link:
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Still, the attribution is not beyond any doubt because letter H is more similar to Nikitin Nikolai (more distorted letter and very short horizontal line).

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Re: Who is who?

Postby AG2012 » Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:15 am

Btw. overlapping years for assayers A. Mitin (1842 - 1877) and A, Mor (1831 - 1854).
I suppose the assayer (both salt cellar and tray) was A. Mitin.
But what if the years were before 1854 ?

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Re: Who is who?

Postby Goldstein » Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:14 am

Hi AG2012 -

many thanks for your opinion.

Someone told me this mark belongs to Keibel & Kämmerer. I know Keibel only as manufacturer of enamel orders!

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The napkin ring is in my opinion from Katorskij.

Maybe we see some more silver from Hacklin in the future to draw final conclusions about style, workmanship, quality and authorship.

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Re: Who is who?

Postby AG2012 » Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:26 am

If it`s ``KK`` the Order of St. Anne was made by Keibel & Kämmerer 1836 - 1841, the period they worked together according to the reference bellow.
Another example of their mark on white eagle order mark.

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Numismatic publisher Künker

After the death of Emanuel von Pannasch in 1836,Heinrich Wilhelm Kämmerer (1786 - 1854) made together with Wilhelm Keibel the insignia of the Russian orders until 1841.They used the maker`s mark `` KK`` for Keibel & Kämmerer. After 1841 joint production of orders ended and Kämmerer turned to the production of other precious things.

Numismatischer Verlag Künker

Heinrich Wilhelm Kämmerer (1786 - 1854) fertigte nach dem Tode von Emanuel von Pannasch im Jahre 1836 zusammen mit Wilhelm Keibel bis 1841 gemeinsam die Insignien der Russischen Orden, wobei sie die Meistermarke ``KK`` fur Keubel und Kämmerer verwendeten.Nach dem 1841 gemeinschaftliche Ordensproduktion geendet hatte, wandte sich Kämmerer der Fertigung anderer Preziosen zu.

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Re: Who is who?

Postby Goldstein » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:01 am

Hi AG2012 -

Many thanks for the further explanations to Keibel & Kämmerer and two further examples of their work:

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Re: Who is who?

Postby Qrt.S » Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:47 am

The Hacklin/Nikitin case was discussed here years ago:
viewtopic.php?f=46&t=28326&hilit=Hacklin


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