Looking for info on this Black Starr & Frost
Looking for info on this Black Starr & Frost
Howdy all,
I am looking for any information on this which is one piece from a set. I have looked for a long time and cannot find this particular mark anywhere. Thanks in advance for any info.
I am looking for any information on this which is one piece from a set. I have looked for a long time and cannot find this particular mark anywhere. Thanks in advance for any info.
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Re: Looking for info on this Black Starr & Frost
Hi - welcome to the forums.
Really nice engraved crest. Black, Starr & Frost was the retailer - from what I can see, the manufacturer looks like Dominick & Haff. Would help to see the back in determining the pattern, guessing 'Old English Antique', introduced in 1880...
http://www.925-1000.com/ax_D&H.html
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Really nice engraved crest. Black, Starr & Frost was the retailer - from what I can see, the manufacturer looks like Dominick & Haff. Would help to see the back in determining the pattern, guessing 'Old English Antique', introduced in 1880...
http://www.925-1000.com/ax_D&H.html
~Cheryl
Re: Looking for info on this Black Starr & Frost
Thanks Cheryl, Here is the back of the spoon
. Also I found a piece that had a symbol pattern by the sterling. Dont know if that helps or what it means.
. Also I found a piece that had a symbol pattern by the sterling. Dont know if that helps or what it means.
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Re: Looking for info on this Black Starr & Frost
Very helpful - the mark is Dominick & Haff's, the pattern is 'Pointed Antique', introduced in 1895...
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Thanks much for the information. Does the dragan engraving have any signifgance or did the set happened to have it when it was purchased?
Thanks again....
Thanks again....
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Re: Looking for info on this Black Starr & Frost
Looks like a wyvern, and it would have been a family crest (or what the family thought was their crest), and almost certainly engraved by the retailer rather than the manufacturer...
~Cheryl
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Re: Looking for info on this Black Starr & Frost
The complete set that I have was handed down to me when my mother passed away many years ago. This set would have been her grandfathers. You explained a lot to me and why I was not able to find any info on the set. Now my journey will take me to understand the monogram. Thank you so much.
Re: Looking for info on this Black Starr & Frost
Hi,
Welcome to the Forum.
I'll move the topic to the Family Crests section of the forum to see if further information can be found there.
Trev.
Welcome to the Forum.
I'll move the topic to the Family Crests section of the forum to see if further information can be found there.
Trev.
Re: Looking for info on this Black Starr & Frost
Thanks much Trev. Appreciate it.
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Re: Looking for info on this Black Starr & Frost
It is, indeed, a crest. Blazoned in the language of heraldry, it would be: A wyvern statant wings elevated and addorsed.
Unfortunately, this crest is a very popular one. I am attaching the entries from Fairbairn's book of Crests which list the families who used this wyvern as a crest. As you can see, there's a bunch of them!
David
Unfortunately, this crest is a very popular one. I am attaching the entries from Fairbairn's book of Crests which list the families who used this wyvern as a crest. As you can see, there's a bunch of them!
David
Re: Looking for info on this Black Starr & Frost
Thanks David, Family name on my mother side (last name Ellis) is not on the list but every little bit helps. I know very little of my mother side and have not be able to find and only know the stories I heard growing up. The sterling silver set would have been my mothers grandfather. None of the geneology sites have any help as well. Just about every thing I can find suggests the last name is english or somewhere in the UK. Although possible I think it is unlikely.
Ron,
Ron,