Seeking Information on Tongs

[dognose]

Hi,

I've been sent these images by a friend who is seeking information on these tongs:














Any thoughts appreciated.

Trev.

[Goldstein]

Hi -
here is what I see:

Townmark Moscow 1834/35, PL # 2008
Assayer: Dubrovnik,Nikolaj 1822-1855, PL # 2104
Maker:Lavrov, Martin 1821-1838, PL # 2662

Goldstein

[dognose]

Hi Goldstein,

Many thanks for this information, it's appreciated.

Trev.

[Goldstein]

Hi -
the motif on the tongs looks like later added - the sunburst is typical for representing Latvian mythological or legendary figures.




Goldstein

[dognose]

Thank you Goldstein, I'll pass the information on.

Trev.

[dognose]

Apparently it is the Roman goddess Abundantia.

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abundantia

Trev.

[Aguest]

Interesting to compare the Latvian images circa 1830 to the American Art Nouveau Images circa 1890. There seems to be similarities in the representation of the standing figure and the sun rays and the mythological setting. I was not familiar with the Latvian tradition until now, and I would like to learn more about the Latvian tradition of sterling silver, and thank you Goldstein.

[Qrt.S]

The assayer's is Nikolay Lukitch Dubrovin. His working period ended either 1855 or 1862. It is a bit unclear.

[dognose]

Hi Qrt.S,

Many thanks for the extra information.

Trev.

[Goldstein]

Hi Qrt.S -
one of the reasons why I always provide sources (PL # 2104) - you at once can detect typos!
It would be nice if you could do the same - I am mainly are here to learn...not to believe.

Goldstein

[Qrt.S]

#Goldstein
Fine, then read and learn what is written in Postnikova #2104 it is ДУБРОВИН i.e. DUBROVIN and not Dubrovnik!

By the way, the mark in Postnikova is dubious. It looks more like НЛ but should be НД.
Nice talking to you again...

[Goldstein]

Hi Qrt.S -
some threads ago we agreed to deal civilized with each other. Now you start again with accusations and insinuations. What for? Believe me - cooperation leads much further. All you wrote has long been known, discussed and provided properly. Why repeating it again and again?
What is wrong with a typo? Correct it! Thanks for that. Life goes on! Until the next. Live with that!

Goldstein

[AG2012]

#2104 has been discussed here
http://www.925-1000.com/forum/viewtopic ... IN#p106370

[Qrt.S]

#Goldstein
Yes we did, but when you provide disinformation, call it typos or whatever you like, I will correct it and I did it nicely. Therefore there is no reason for you to to blew your fuses for that. I have corrected you before and I will do it in the future. Feel free to correct me at any time there is a reason for it. I will not start to argue for that. Mistakes can happen to anybody but If nobody will correct mistakes, errors, nonsense or whatever name you prefer to use, the incorrect information will spread and will become a problem in the long run because readers might start to believe that the given incorrect dis-info is the whole truth and nothing else because it is given by skillful persons. I know you are very skillful, but...
Therefore there is of utmost importance that the answer is as correct as it can be otherwise it must be corrected. This is a cool fact and you have to live with it like it or not. I have no problems with being corrected, "shit" happens to everyone now and then...!

[Dad]

Hi -
here is what I see:

Townmark Moscow 1834/35, PL # 2008
Assayer: Dubrovnik,Nikolaj 1822-1855, PL # 2104
Maker:Lavrov, Martin 1821-1838, PL # 2662

Goldstein

A little correct.

Unknown silversmith: "ПЛ" ("PL")

[dognose]

Hi Dad,

Many thanks for the further information.

Trev.