Cut glass candy dish and cover

[AG2012]

A spurious item. Not even sure whether the cover (gilt interior) belongs to cut glass dish. Perfectly well fitting cover does not prove anything.
Incomplete set of marks (no assayer). Supposedly a Finnish born silversmith who worked in StPetersburg, mid 19th century.
But if silver dish with full set of marks is missing, incomplete marks on the cover could make sense. Or not?

[Goldstein]

Hi Ag2012 -

I have no clue how the rest of this object could have looked - I can not immagine a salver or platter as stand. That gives no sense and I do not remember having seen anything like that in the past. Even if it is part of several pieces it have to be hallmarked correct. Just remember coffee or tea services comprising of often more than 5 pieces are all marked correctly - small parts if not full - at least with the correct controlmarks. A flawless, nearly unused object without assayer and unclear marks make me always very "pensive"!

Goldstein

[AG2012]

Thank you. I was thinking of covered sugar bowl (the cover not hinged).But that`s an assumption.

[Goldstein]

Hi -

Here an example how it should be. The maker is Jefrem Jevdokimov 1836-1856, PL # 2436 (unknown maker) but known by name now.





Goldstein

[Qrt.S]

I'm also a bit suspicious about the lid and glass being a pair. The marks are also dubious and I see no reason to why the lid's inside would be gilded with a glass part, why? I cannot either interpret the maker's mark and I cannot recall seeing a Moscow town mark in a round shield (it looks like St George but not St. Peterburgh's mark, but...?). As you said, it doesn't make sense....! Mind my asking but can you tell what letters you might see in the maker's mark?

[AG2012]

Last Sunday when I visited the owner and took pictures he claimed he had the maker`s name recorded, but I did not pay much attention because I thought the mark would be in better shape on close up photos.Will ask him about the maker anyway.
Thanks a lot for helping.I was ambivalent from the moment I saw the item, but convinced now.Even with better marks on the cover,one cannot be sure with silver-glass combinations.Thanks again.

[oel]

We can find silver lids with a gilded inside, on top of glass jars. The gilding is a sign of quality and to protect the silver from a sour/salt or oily content in the glass jar.
I share the general opinion; dubious marks and it could be a marriage.

Glass jar with silver lid, gilded inside made 1904:



Best,

Peter