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Help me to identify this salt cellar

Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:29 am
by Denis_S
Hello Friends

I have a salt cellar. But I'm not sure this is Egypt? And which city and maker?

Thank you in advance for your help!



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Re: Help me to identify this salt cellar

Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:25 am
by AG2012
Hi,#
It is not Egypt but Egyptian revival, most likely early 19th century.
The spoon is George III or George IV duty mark (no town mark) but earlier than 1833.
One of the marks on the salt cellar could be the head of Parthenope (facing right ? ) with number 8 for 833/000.The mark was used in Kingdom of The Two Sicilies after 1824.
If so, the spoon is matching salt cellar in regard of the age, but cannot tell for sure.
Regards

Re: Help me to identify this salt cellar

Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:36 am
by Sasropakis
The spoon is London 1792 as the duty mark is George III. The makers could be George Smith (III) & William Fearn; WF is visible and the loop above them could be for S, and they were partners around that time. The spoon is slightly older that the salt cellar as Egyptian revival style become fashionable in the early 19th century.

Re: Help me to identify this salt cellar

Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:15 am
by amena
AG 2012 is right, it is a salt cellar of the kingdom of the two Sicilies. From 1826, for the provinces "beyond the lighthouse" (that is, Sicily) is prescribed the mark with the head of Ceres facing left , similar to the mark with the head of Partenope facing right in use "on this side of the lighthouse" ( that is, the kingdom of Naples)
The FG mark with flower is obviously the silversmith's mark (unknown to me), while I cannot recognize what the third mark represents.
Interesting punching anyway
Best regards
Amena

Re: Help me to identify this salt cellar

Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:02 am
by amena
Hi Denis
I have two little curiosities about the punching of your sugar bowl.
The sign that I indicated with a red arrow, is it a mark or just a scratch in the metal?
What I indicated with the green arrow, is it an overstruck mark or a metal defect?
Thank you
Amena

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Re: Help me to identify this salt cellar

Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:20 am
by AG2012
Hi,
The third mark remains a mystery.Are there actually two marks here ?

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Re: Help me to identify this salt cellar

Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:41 am
by Denis_S
Hello friends!

Thanks a lot for your help!

amena wrote:The sign that I indicated with a red arrow, is it a mark or just a scratch in the metal?
What I indicated with the green arrow, is it an overstruck mark or a metal defect?


About green arrow - this hole is located in the middle of the bottom of the salt cellar, so I think this is a technological nuance of production
About red arrow - I could not see anything in this place, just a scratch

Re: Help me to identify this salt cellar

Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 11:28 am
by AG2012
technological nuance of production


If it is right in the middle then it is the place where it was fixed to the rotating lathe.
Regards

Re: Help me to identify this salt cellar

Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:52 am
by amena
A small step forward. The unknown mark belomg to the assayer Matteo Serretta of Palermo.
It was certainly used in 1837 but perhaps even later. You can see it on page 22 of this link.
https://masteruniversitariostore.files. ... giotta.pdf
I wanted to post the photo here, but tinypi is not working any more and Postimage also has some problems.
How can you do it?
Amena

Re: Help me to identify this salt cellar

Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:20 am
by Denis_S
Thanks a lot for your help!!