Help with identifying this serving spoon unknown marks and monogram

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Stephan
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Help with identifying this serving spoon unknown marks and monogram

Postby Stephan » Sun Dec 23, 2018 1:17 am

Hello good people,

Can somebody help me to identify these marks and monogram thus I can find out where is it from and possible to whom it belonged to and when?

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Thank you a lot and keep up a great work (this forum is awesome!)

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Re: Help with identifying this serving spoon unknown marks and monogram

Postby AG2012 » Sun Dec 23, 2018 4:00 am

Hi,
My reference books are not available at the moment but town mark most likely belongs to Austria-Hungary Empire.
I think it will be identified.

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Re: Help with identifying this serving spoon unknown marks and monogram

Postby AG2012 » Sun Dec 23, 2018 4:02 am

And owner monogram cannot be identified unless there is direct and reliable family provenance which is extremely rare with old silver.

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Re: Help with identifying this serving spoon unknown marks and monogram

Postby huszas76 » Sun Dec 23, 2018 5:07 am

Hello Stephan!
Welcome to the forum!
Your spoon made in Zagreb (Agram) in the first half of th 19. century.
The maker is most likely Vincentius Lehmann. (Vinko Lehmann).
I'm collecting the antique austro-hungarian marks, and I'm working some studies.
Can I Download your pictures, and can I use it later for this?
Best regards!
Krisztián

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Re: Help with identifying this serving spoon unknown marks and monogram

Postby huszas76 » Sun Dec 23, 2018 10:59 am

A very similar city mark with another maker's (Franjo Lesnik) work:
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=29679&p=77813&hilit=lesnik#p77813

Stephan
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Re: Help with identifying this serving spoon unknown marks and monogram

Postby Stephan » Sun Dec 23, 2018 12:54 pm

Thank you guys so much for being so fast and accurate (AG2012 & huszas76)!!!

And, huszas76, of course you can download and use the pictures.

One more question if I may, there is no mark for the silver on this spoon, but I believe it is, is this common that there is no actual mark for the silver but however it is silver.

Keep up the great work,

Stephan

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Re: Help with identifying this serving spoon unknown marks and monogram

Postby huszas76 » Sun Dec 23, 2018 1:14 pm

Dear Stephan!
You are wrong, there is mark for silver. You can see the number 13 in the hallmark. That means 13 lot fineness (812,5‰). In central Europe (including Germany, Poland before 1790, Austria/Hungary was useful this system. 12 or 13 lot was the frequent fineness.
Thanky you!
Best regards!
Krisztián

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Re: Help with identifying this serving spoon unknown marks and monogram

Postby Stephan » Sun Dec 23, 2018 2:58 pm

Dear Krisztián,

Thank you so much for clarifying this!

With regards,

Stephan


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