Frnch dish 1809-1819

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Frnch dish 1809-1819

Postby silverfan » Thu Jun 29, 2017 2:39 pm

Today I found a French dish (ca. 23cm, 357g) with 4 marks: deuxième coq Paris 1809-19, moyenne garantie Paris, maker's mark IJM, woman's face with no. 2 (1793?) Who is the maker and what means the woman's face?

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Re: Frnch dish 1809-1819

Postby Zilver2 » Fri Jun 30, 2017 3:23 am

Hello,
The mark LJMB is the mark of Louis Joseph Millerand-Bouty (père)(father) also named Louis Joseph Bouty dit Millerand-Bouty, père (father)
Mark entered 1779.
The woman's mark with the letter P at left is a no value as guarantee mark of the Association of Gold & Silversmiths (see preceding comments on this site).
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Re: Frnch dish 1809-1819

Postby silverfan » Sun Jul 02, 2017 6:50 am

Hi Zilver2,
thank you for your answer. I did further research and found another writing for Millerand: Milleraud. What is right? The sign in the middle of the mark does not look like a star. What is it? What is the date of his death?
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Re: Frnch dish 1809-1819

Postby Zilver2 » Sun Jul 02, 2017 7:04 am

Hi Silverfan,

Sorry, but I have no further information regarding this silversmith.
Maybe that other members can help you more.
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Re: Frnch dish 1809-1819

Postby Aguest » Mon Jul 03, 2017 10:32 am

I am interested in the mark in the middle as well ::: Could you provide an extreme close-up of it? ::: It looks like a flower, perhaps a lily or a poppy or a tulip, with an insect visiting the flower, perhaps a butterfly? :::

I do love finding these French hallmarks from 1798-1809 and 1809-1819, in all my years I have probably found 1000 English pieces from this time period for every 4 French pieces from this time period.... I have found three spoons and one sugar tong from this period, really it seems to be quite difficult to find, perhaps not so much in France and surrounding countries which would make sense....

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Re: Frnch dish 1809-1819

Postby silverfan » Fri Jul 07, 2017 10:47 am

Hi Aguest,
I can give no better photo. The diamond with the letters JJMB with a lilly of the valley in the middle is the mark of Jean Joseph Milleran(u)d-Bouty. Marks of the first cock 1797/98-1809 and the second cock 1809-1819 are not so rare, you will find them rather often on flatware.
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Re: Frnch dish 1809-1819

Postby JayT » Tue Aug 15, 2017 1:11 pm

The spelling is given as Milleraud-Bouty in Arminjon, v. 1, no. 02405, p.246. I don't know when he died, and yes, the symbol is the flower of a lily-of-the-valley - une fleur de muguet.

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Re: Frnch dish 1809-1819

Postby jgl » Sun Mar 04, 2018 12:50 pm

Milleraud-Bouty Louis-Joseph (dit Milleraud-Bouty père),1798/1799-1811, (Milleraud-Bouty François-Joseph, 1811/1812, Succ.), LJMB, une fleur de muguet, 47 quai de l'Horloge, Paris.


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