Looking for info on this Black Starr & Frost

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Looking for info on this Black Starr & Frost

Postby rong » Sun Nov 19, 2017 2:42 pm

Howdy all,
I am looking for any information on this which is one piece from a set. I have looked for a long time and cannot find this particular mark anywhere. Thanks in advance for any info.ImageImageImageImageImage

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Re: Looking for info on this Black Starr & Frost

Postby dragonflywink » Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:09 pm

Hi - welcome to the forums.

Really nice engraved crest. Black, Starr & Frost was the retailer - from what I can see, the manufacturer looks like Dominick & Haff. Would help to see the back in determining the pattern, guessing 'Old English Antique', introduced in 1880...

http://www.925-1000.com/ax_D&H.html

~Cheryl

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Re: Looking for info on this Black Starr & Frost

Postby rong » Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:45 pm

Thanks Cheryl, Here is the back of the spoonImage. Also I found a piece that had a symbol pattern by the sterling. Dont know if that helps or what it means.Image

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Re: Looking for info on this Black Starr & Frost

Postby dragonflywink » Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:19 pm

Very helpful - the mark is Dominick & Haff's, the pattern is 'Pointed Antique', introduced in 1895...

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Re: Looking for info on this Black Starr & Frost

Postby rong » Sun Nov 19, 2017 7:17 pm

Thanks much for the information. Does the dragan engraving have any signifgance or did the set happened to have it when it was purchased?

Thanks again....

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Re: Looking for info on this Black Starr & Frost

Postby dragonflywink » Sun Nov 19, 2017 7:37 pm

Looks like a wyvern, and it would have been a family crest (or what the family thought was their crest), and almost certainly engraved by the retailer rather than the manufacturer...

~Cheryl

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Re: Looking for info on this Black Starr & Frost

Postby rong » Sun Nov 19, 2017 8:05 pm

The complete set that I have was handed down to me when my mother passed away many years ago. This set would have been her grandfathers. You explained a lot to me and why I was not able to find any info on the set. Now my journey will take me to understand the monogram. Thank you so much.

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Re: Looking for info on this Black Starr & Frost

Postby dognose » Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:21 am

Hi,

Welcome to the Forum.

I'll move the topic to the Family Crests section of the forum to see if further information can be found there.

Trev.

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Re: Looking for info on this Black Starr & Frost

Postby rong » Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:43 am

Thanks much Trev. Appreciate it.

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Re: Looking for info on this Black Starr & Frost

Postby davidappleton » Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:18 pm

It is, indeed, a crest. Blazoned in the language of heraldry, it would be: A wyvern statant wings elevated and addorsed.

Unfortunately, this crest is a very popular one. I am attaching the entries from Fairbairn's book of Crests which list the families who used this wyvern as a crest. As you can see, there's a bunch of them!

David

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Re: Looking for info on this Black Starr & Frost

Postby rong » Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:12 pm

Thanks David, Family name on my mother side (last name Ellis) is not on the list but every little bit helps. I know very little of my mother side and have not be able to find and only know the stories I heard growing up. The sterling silver set would have been my mothers grandfather. None of the geneology sites have any help as well. Just about every thing I can find suggests the last name is english or somewhere in the UK. Although possible I think it is unlikely.
Ron,


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