The Lost Marks Project

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The Lost Marks Project

Postby buckler » Sun Aug 09, 2009 4:23 pm

Grimwade's masterly work on London Makers 1697 - 1837 has three major omissions :-
(a) Marks in the two Lost Registers of 1739 - 1758 (smallworkers) and 1758 -1773 (largeworkers) . Grimwade provided from other evidence many of the Largeworkers marks but little on the Smallworkers
(b) Many of the minor small workers marks are not illustrated and can cause considerable doubt and confusion.
(c) Many smiths with an existing mark did not register new, and sometimes totally different punches. A larger number than is realised just did not bother.

Many people and groups have worked on various aspects of this problem, mostly uncordinated and without widespread release of their discoveries.

This is an attempt to assess and collate information from everybody for the benefit of all.

To be included a mark should : -
(1) Not be illustrated in Grimwade, (unregistered section excepted ! ). Anyone posting must have access to Grimwade. A reasonable effort should also be made to ensure it is not provincial !
(2) Have an assay mark of the Lion Passant on the piece containing it , or some good evidence that the silver is English and probably London.
(3) The mark must be clear enough, both on the piece and the photo , to be readily recognised as distinctive. For example many GB marks are so difficult to tell apart that trying to differentiate is impossible in many cases !
(4) A photo of all assay marks should also be posted if possible . This is vital dating evidence
(5) If the date of the item marked is at all uncertain, either stylistically or by absence of date letter, a photo of the object can be posted.
(6) All suggestions, even if very tentative , should include references if possible.
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Postby buckler » Thu Aug 20, 2009 12:09 pm

It would be much appreciated if anyone who has seen identical marks to any of the ones given on this forum to post a photo or at least report the object and period. Any information helps.
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Re: The Lost Marks Project

Postby buckler » Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:55 am

Google have put on line on Google Play Books several Poll Books . One of these
Poll of City & Liberty of Westminster taken at Covent Garden 22 November to 8 December 1749
see https://play.google.com/store/books/det ... UFRQUFKIl0

may provide possible clues to some of the Silversmiths and Goldsmiths who could have had marks in the Lost Small Workers Register .

The attached list has the initials, (and thus possible makers marks ) of all those with Goldsmith, Silversmith, and some Associated Trades given as occupation.
Jewellers have been listed separately
Those Voters names which can be identified as being already in Grimwade, thirty of them, have been excluded - a task made difficult by the somewhat arbitary spelling in the printed Poll Book. Paul DELAMERRY is easy to identify as Paul De Lamerie , whereas Thomas COMBS takes bit of memory to place as Thomas Tombs. Doubtless I have missed several, and mis-copied others . E & OE !

Also it is unlikely that very many of these did have markers marks - the City of Westminster is likely to have had more retailers than working goldsmiths.
The original transcription was made onto a WORD table for analysis purposes, hence the absence of commas. Anyone wanting the full document should contact me via 925 messages and I can provide it, together with some crude statistical data on EXEL

SILVERSMITHS, GOLDSMITHS, etc
A G Abraham GANTON Silversmith Warwick Str St James
A H Andrew HUNTER Goldworker Greek Street St Annes
A I Alexander JOHNSON Silversmith Panton Str St Martin
A S Andrew SOLOMON Silversmith Church Str St Annes
C C Christopher COTTERELL Claspmaker St Martin Le Grand St Paul
C C Christopher COLE Goldbeater Southampton Str St Paul
C H Charles HILL Goldsmith Queen Str Golden Sq St James
C P Charles PATTEN Silversmith St James Str St James
C P Christopher PINCHBECK Toyman Oxford Str St Martin
C W Christopher WILSON Toyshop Maj Faubetts Pas St James
D P Daniel PEARCE Silversmith Spur Str St Annes
E P Edward PALINE Silversmith King Str St Paul
G C George CUNNINGHAM Toyman Church Lane St Martin
G G George GRANVILL Silversmith St Martins Court St Martin
G W George WEEKS Silversmith Panton Str St Martin
H W Henry WICKSTEAD Goldbeater Hanover Str St Martin
I A John AKERMAN Watchcase M St Martin Le Grand St Paul
I B James BARKER Goldsmith Strand St Martin
I B Josiah BARTY Goldsmith King Stree St Margaret
I B James BELLIS Goldsmith Broad Court St Martin
I B John BENTLEY Goldsmith Little Sheer Lane St Clement
I B Joseph BURNET Goldsmith Wardour Str St James
I C John COGGIN Silversmith Warwick Str St Martin
I F Joseph FARE Silversmith Duke Str St Martin
I F James FENTON Toyshopman Stable Yard St Margaret
I G James GOSHEROME G & S Orrice Hart Str St Paul
I G James GRANT Goldsmith Long Acre St Martin
I G John GOSSART Silversmith Villers Str St Martin
I H John HASTINGS Silversmith Charing Cross St Martin
I H John HOLST Silversmith Durham Yard St Martin
I L John LEASELLER Silversmith Wardour Str St Annes
I P John PASSAVANT Goldsmith Craven Buildings St Clement
I S Jarvis SNAPE Goldbeater Long Acre St Martin
I W John WALKER Silversmith Petty France St Margaret
J J Joseph JOYCE Goldworker Greek Str St Annes
L H Lewis HENERY Silversmith Tothil Str St Margaret
M H Michael HANET Goldsmith Porter Str St Annes
P A Peter ACHAMLAN Silversmth Coventry Str St James
P B Philip BROUZEER Silversmith Windmill Str St James
P G Peter GEREY G & S Caster Long Acre St Martin
P H Peter HALE Goldsmith King Str St Annes
P H Philip HELTOW Goldsmith St Martins Lane St Martin
P H Peter HENRY Silversmith King Str St Annes
P I Peter JOTTMAN Silversmith Newport Str St Martin
P L Peter LHOMMEDIEU Silversmith Shug Lane St James
P P Peze PILLEAU Silversmith Chandois Str St Martin
P P Peter PORTRETT Silversmith St Martins Court St Martin
P R Peter RUSSEL Goldsmith Suffolk Str St Martin
R E Robert ELLIS Goldsmith Mays Buildings St Martin
R F Richard FALL Silversmith St Martins Lane St Martin
R G Richard GRANT Toyshop Pall Mall St James
R L Richard LEA Toyman Strand St Martin
R W Richard WEBB Silversmith Newport Str St Annes
S Q Stephen QUILLET Silversmith Charing Cross St Martin
S S Samuel SMITH Goldbeater Poultny Str St Annes
S S Samuel SHARP Goldsmith Frith Str St Annes
S S Samuel STROUD Silversmith James Str St Martin
S T Steven TRICKETT Silversmith Strand St Martin
T B Thomas BEAR Silversmith Berwick Str St James
T G Thomas GILPIN Silversmith Searle Str St Clement
T G Thomas GLADWELL Silversmith Marylebone Str St James
T H Thomas HARRACHE Silversmith Long Acre St Martin
T H Thomas HEMMINGS Silversmith Piccadilly St James
T W Thomas WHITFORD Bucklemaker St Martin Le Grand St Paul
W B Walter BRAY Goldbeater Wardour Court St Martin
W B Walter BANNISTER Silversmith Riders Court St Annes
W G William GILLINGLEY Silversmith Long Acre St Martin
W G William GRIFFITHS Toyman Angel Court St James
W G William GRINDELL Toyman Russell Court St Martin
W H William HENSELLER Goldsmith St Martin Le Grand St Paul
W P William PAYSTON Silversmith St Martin Le Grand St Paul
W S William STROUD Silverturner St Martin Le Grand St Paul
W W William WHITFORD Bucklemaker St Martin Le Grand St Paul

JEWELLERS
A B Ambrose BECKWITH Jeweller St Martin Le Grand St Paul
A L Anthony LAFORTUNE Jeweller King Str St James
C F Charles FLEUREAU Jeweller Craven Str St Martin
C G Charles GADDISS Jeweller Panton Str St Martin
C M Charles MAYNARD Jeweller St Martin Le Grand St Paul
C S Charles STOREY Jeweller Sidney Str St Annes
D L David LECOURT Jeweller Villiers Str St Martin
D P Dennis PEERE Jeweller Hemmings Row St Martin
E F Elias FRANCIS Jeweller Whiteheart Court St Martin
F F Francis FLEUREAU Jeweller Pall Mall St James
G B George BARKER Jeweller Bow Str St Paul
G D Godheep DELINGER Jeweller St Martin Le Grand St Paul
H C Henry COLE Jeweller Tavistock Str St Paul
H D Hieron. DONATE Jeweller Craven Buildings St Clement
H S Henry SAUL Jeweller Newcastle Court St Clement
I T John TREBLE Jeweller Litchfield Str St Annes
I B John BARROW Jeweller Cartwright Str St Margaret
I C Joseph CAMPBELL Jeweller King Str St Annes
I C John COOPER Jeweller St Martin Le Grand St Paul
I D John DEMORIH Jeweller St Martin Le Grand St Paul
I D John DINGWELL Jeweller Suffolk Str St Martin
I D Jacob DU HAMELL Jeweller Henrietta Str St Paul
I I James JOHNSON Jeweller St Martin Le Grand St Paul
I M John MASON Jeweller Lisle Str St Annes
I N Joshua NAILOR Jeweller King Str St Paul
I P John PLYER Jeweller St Martin Le Grand St Paul
L L Lewis LIDDIA Jeweller Star Court St Clement
L L Lewis LOBOE Jeweller Windmill Str St James
M A Matthew ALLENSON Jeweller Crown Ct, Long Acre St Martin
P D Philip DELAFOND (S) Jeweller Queen Str St Annes
P G Peter GANDON Jeweller Hanover Str St Martin
P L Peter LEGHOUSE Jeweller St Martin Le Grand St Paul
P R Peter ROMELEY Jeweller King Str St Annes
R C Richard CHADD Jeweller Bond Str St Georges
R C Robert COLYER Jeweller Vineyard Yard St Martin
R L Roger LIDELL Jeweller Compton Str St Annes
R P Robert PARR Jeweller St Martin Le Grand St Paul
S B Sampson BISHOP Jeweller Suffolk Str St Martin
W B Wingfield BROADNEAKS Jeweller St Martins Court St Martin
W M William MADDOX Jeweller Craven Buildings St Clement
W P William PRING Jeweller Eagle Court St Clement

Districts
Saint Annes
St Georges, Hanover Square
St Margaret Westminster & St John the Evangelist
St Paul Covent Garden & St Martin le Grand
St Clement Danes & St Mary le Strand, Westminster
St James
St Martins in the Fields


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