Gravy/Sauce Ladle query

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Gravy/Sauce Ladle query

Postby emptguy » Sun Nov 05, 2017 6:35 am

Hello forum.

My local charity shop has what I believe is a 12cm long silver gravy or sauce ladle with marks I am slightly unsure of though I'm really just looking for re-assurance I think.

The maker would seem to be Charles Boyton and Son, a 'CB' over '&S' though I can't find an image of that form anywhere.

The other marks are a crown followed by a lion passant followed by a lower case 'k' so 1965-6. Should there be a leopards head?

I would welcome your expert opinions

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Many thanks,

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Re: Gravy/Sauce Ladle query

Postby AG2012 » Sun Nov 05, 2017 6:51 am

Hi,
I think there is a crown for Sheffield.Cooper Brothers & Sons Ltd were active both in London and Sheffield.
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Re: Gravy/Sauce Ladle query

Postby AG2012 » Sun Nov 05, 2017 6:54 am

Btw. it`s 1927.
Lower case ``k`` (Sheffield).

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Re: Gravy/Sauce Ladle query

Postby silvermakersmarks » Sun Nov 05, 2017 1:24 pm

I suggest that it's probably a punch ladle, the spout being for accurate delivery of liquid into glasses.

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Re: Gravy/Sauce Ladle query

Postby AG2012 » Sun Nov 05, 2017 1:30 pm

Less than 5 inches long ?

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Re: Gravy/Sauce Ladle query

Postby silvermakersmarks » Sun Nov 05, 2017 2:40 pm

Yes, that's a thought; 12 cm hadn't crossed my mind! But it's definitely too small for soup, and probably also for gravy. It must be for something needing precision pouring.

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Re: Gravy/Sauce Ladle query

Postby emptguy » Sun Nov 05, 2017 7:04 pm

Thank you all for this.

I must admit, I hadn't even considered Sheffield and looking again everything looks right for 1927-8 and Cooper Brothers & Sons Ltd.

As for purpose, could it be an English toddy spoon? I must admit this also hadn't occurred to me as I thought these were only made in Scotland. Showing my ignorance here!

Thanks again.

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Re: Gravy/Sauce Ladle query

Postby Aguest » Mon Nov 06, 2017 1:59 am

I have seen it referred to as a "Devonshire Cream Ladle" and sometimes the bowl looks more like a traditional bucket form...

I must admit I have no idea what Devonshire Cream is, but now that you know the phrase, you could search for other similar examples....

It has also been referred to as a "Gravy Ladle" or sometimes as a "Cream Ladle" too.....

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Re: Gravy/Sauce Ladle query

Postby AG2012 » Mon Nov 06, 2017 6:14 am

Hello again,
Having closely inspected the images something crossed my mind.Reputable silversmiths do not solder handle to bowl like this.
(Arrow) Back side is not clearly visible.

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Was the handle taken from elsewhere and soldered to the bowl ?
Or it was broken and repaired.Suspicious anyway,poor soldering.
I may be wrong, but again, the handle is badly soldered.Compare with small ladle by the same maker (bowl and handle in one piece,12 cm, 1923).

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Re: Gravy/Sauce Ladle query

Postby emptguy » Mon Nov 06, 2017 2:18 pm

Thank you AG2012.

I must admit that when I first looked at the this joint I thought it was a little shoddy. And the more I look at it, the more it looks like a repair or two separate pieces joined together. Another point, the others ladles I have seen images of have a bowl either almost horizontal to or at a very slight angle with the handle. Mine is at 90 degrees.

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The reason I am trying to find out as much as I can is that the charity I work for wants to sell it. I wouldn't enquire about value in the forum of course. However initial investigations would suggest it's very low value so I doubt it would be worth anyone creating a piece from two others. So repair is more likely I think maybe to change the angle of the bowl for a specific purpose by the previous owner.

It's an oddity isn't it!


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