london made spoons, date identification

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london made spoons, date identification

Postby antiquv » Sun Jul 15, 2018 6:06 am

Hello,
i have this english silver set of spoons with fruit designs on them, i cant understand who is the maker and what is the date on them,
the date latter is a P but can anyone help me with the exact age and maker?

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Re: london made spoons, date identification

Postby SteveDWollongong » Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:17 am

Hi,

Your spoons were made in Newcastle and not London. The maker is Alexander Kelty and the year 1805.

Cheers,
Steve

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Re: london made spoons, date identification

Postby Essexboy Fisher » Sun Aug 05, 2018 6:26 pm

Hello I think we may require a referee for the maker. Although these are Newcastle spoons and very likely assayed 1805 as Steve says, I believe the maker’s mark cartouche is an ovaloid and not an oblong (as Kelty's is) and the maker is most likely “Ann Robertson” the widow of John Robertson and her working dates were in that 1st decade of the 19th century. I would like to add here that our probable referee “Silvermakermarks” has recently made some updates to “Silvermakermarks.com” web site for the Newcastle section particularly for that early 19th century date period.
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Fishless

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Re: london made spoons, date identification

Postby silvermakersmarks » Mon Aug 06, 2018 3:43 am

No pressure then, Fishless!

However I think you have it right that this is Ann Robertson's mark. Her workshop seems to have been much more prolific than Kelty's as we see many more instances of AR than of AK so balance of probablities favours her too. I have copied the relevant Ann Robertson mark from Margaret Gill's book on Newcastle silver and put it beside a version which I chopped off in approximately the same place as our original mage:

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Re: london made spoons, date identification

Postby SteveDWollongong » Mon Aug 06, 2018 6:38 am

Hi Fishless and Phil,

Good pickup. I looked too quickly without really seeing...totally agree with you.

Cheers,
Steve


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