Sauceboat from Newcastle, 1774-75

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Sauceboat from Newcastle, 1774-75

Postby Juke » Sat Apr 12, 2008 1:36 pm

A sauceboat from Newcastle and 1774-75. Looking for the name of the silversmith and if there are more information on him and his workshop.

The makers mark is ?C with something on top.

Thanks in advance.

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Juhana

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Postby dognose » Sat Apr 12, 2008 2:13 pm

Hi Juhana,

It looks to me like the mark of James Crawford, he worked in the Groat Market in Newcastle, he entered his mark with the Newcastle Goldsmiths Company in 1763, but was known to have been working before that. He died in 1795 and was known to make items such as yours.
His wife Sarah continued the business after his death.

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Postby buckler » Sat Apr 12, 2008 3:38 pm

Yes , almost certainly James Crawford - the mark is as given in Gill .

The Lion Passant Guardant is interesting being in an almost identical punch to the form used by London in the 1740 -1756 period. Refences books seen to give this in use at Newcastle in 1759 - 1779, but I have an example of a buckle by Patrick Beach (last assays in 1778) with a very rectangular punch. Can anyone shed light on the use of this punch in Newcastle ?.
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Postby Juke » Sun Apr 13, 2008 2:47 am

Thanks both to Trev and buckler for information on the silversmith and his work.

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Juhana
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Postby dognose » Thu Apr 17, 2008 4:08 pm

Hi,

Here is a very slighty better mark for James Crawford.



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Postby buckler » Thu Apr 17, 2008 6:42 pm

Thanks dognose for the marks set. Now I'm even more confused over the Lion Passants of Newcastle. According to Jackson the date letter for 1787/88 (W) was used with the nipple bottomed Lion, not the rectangular one. Or perhaps they overlapped . Also what a wonderful "assay set" Sideways Lion, Upright Leopart (well whiskered) , Upright Town mark, sideways Duty and sideways dateletter.
What object was the mark applied to ?
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Postby buckler » Thu Apr 17, 2008 6:44 pm

To be very pedantic my wife has asked me to correct "Lion Passants of Newcastle" to "Lions Passant of Newcastle "
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Postby Granmaa » Thu Apr 17, 2008 7:53 pm

Is it "lions passant" or "lions passants"? I can never remember if French present participles reflect gender and number.

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Postby dognose » Fri Apr 18, 2008 1:14 pm

Hi Buckler,

The mark is on a well made tablespoon, 8 5/8" (22mm) in length and 2 oz in weight, it has a celtic point end and nice engraving on the top side.

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Postby buckler » Fri Apr 18, 2008 1:43 pm

Many thanks Trev. Spoon is a nice weight and very substantial thickness in the mid section.
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