Maker of Dutch cream ladle

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Maker of Dutch cream ladle

Postby joho » Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:25 am

Hi all. Can anyone help identify the maker of this small cream ladle? It is about 10cm long. The maker's mark is stamped on the front of the stem where the handle joins the bowl. It is in an oval punch. There are no other marks. The maker's mark could be WAS, with the W and A conjoined, but the mark is not very clear and it could be something different. Any suggestions??

Many thanks
John

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Re: Maker of Dutch cream ladle

Postby oel » Mon Sep 17, 2018 12:43 pm

Hi John, your mark:
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WAS no entries. Difficult one. Could it read W.S in an oval shield? Without town mark difficult to attribute.
For example W.S for Willem Scholten, registered in Deventer 1776-1809
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Your mark could it read SVM conjoined. If so it could be for Pieter Staats van Mecklenburg, registered in Amsterdam 1779-1811
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Source; Amsterdamse Zilversmeden en hun merken K.A. Citroen; SVM conjoined for; Pieter Staats van Mecklenburg, registered in Amsterdam, 1779-1811(died), work small silver tableware. 1795-1815 Turbulent time period, today called The Netherlands occupied by French troops and under French law. Introduction of various new (hall)marks, hence the absent of any hallmarks.
http://www.historyworld.net/wrldhis/Pla ... raphID=mis



I go for Pieter.


Peter.

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Re: Maker of Dutch cream ladle

Postby joho » Tue Sep 18, 2018 3:24 am

Many thanks Peter. Agreed - the SVM mark looks very similar.

Is there any convention on which way up the marks were struck?

All the best
John

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Re: Maker of Dutch cream ladle

Postby oel » Tue Sep 18, 2018 5:22 am

Depending which guild city town assay office, early 18th century cream ladles often marked at the reverse of the stem. Later 18th century around 1800 often marked front of stem, close to the bowl. However the maker's mark on your cream ladle is the right way up with free space for an assayer to put the hallmarks under the maker's mark.


Best,

Peter.

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Re: Maker of Dutch cream ladle

Postby joho » Tue Sep 18, 2018 6:29 am

Interesting and always good to learn something new.

Thanks again Peter.

John


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