CK silversmith. Netherlands possibly?

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Essexboy Fisher
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CK silversmith. Netherlands possibly?

Postby Essexboy Fisher » Tue Aug 15, 2017 4:56 pm

Hello I recently viewed a mixed silver lot at a local auction and noted it contained an interesting looking spoon. I could see an obvious “CK” maker mark plus 2 other obscure marks, one of which was possibly a curvaceous “Y” date letter. My first thought was that the marks belonged to an 1800 or earlier British spoon. A little bit of pre auction research did not throw up any obvious CK British candidates though. My thoughts then turned to the possibility that the spoon could be the unknown “CK” 19th century Cantonese colonial silversmith referred to in the forum post
viewtopic.php?&t=35942 .
Now my idea is that I might have in my spoon collection one more Dutch spoon that has some how made its way to North East England. Some photos are below.

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I think it is old. The spoon bowl is worn and turned up on 1 side of its point. Its stem and finial are like a very elongated lozenge and not British looking at all. In that way it looks like a couple of early 19th century plain German spoons I had but this is decorated in a lovely style. The bowl is fairly deep could it have been for any special use? This spoon is about 14 centimeters long.

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I had a look at the “zilverkeuren.nl” site and unexpectedly and up popped a “CK” silversmith, Cornelis Knuystingh said to work in Rotterdam 1780-1811. Unfortunately the forum seems to have no references for this silversmith.
Viewing the “date letter” on my spoon its does appear to be a “Y” but with an “accent” above. The nearest styled “Y” I noted on the 925-1000 Netherlands date letters was 1833 a bit latter than “CK”’s given dates. However the research I have made for this spoon has now shown me that Dutch date lettering was extensively used well before the 1814 date as suggested from the chart show in our Netherlands section. Also my middle mark is worn and I do not easily recognise the expected Rotterdam crest mark.
I am looking for plenty of help from the forum for this spoon so please could you spread a bit of your knowledge in my direction.
Yours
Fishless
P.s Are there any online charts for earlier Dutch national or town date letters?

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Re: CK silversmith. Netherlands possibly?

Postby oel » Wed Aug 16, 2017 12:36 am

Silver coffee spoon.
Indeed town mark for Rotterdam. Maker's mark CK for Cornelis Knuystingh, registered in Rotterdam 1780-1811. Year letter script capital ij for 1805. The specific town marks and year letters pre 1806 are not available (yet) on line. Your coffee spoon silver of 2nd standard in Dutch Kleine Keur at; tien penningen (833,333 / 1000) minimum.
For Rotterdam town mark guild period and the year letter ij for 1805 see:
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=32028#p82869
For information about Dutch guild period;
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=32028#p80323

Best,

Peter


Ref:
Elias Voet, Jr., Nederlands Goud- & Zilvermerken,
Karel A. Citroen, Dutch Goldsmiths' and Silversmiths' Marks and Names prior to 1812,
L.B. Gans goud-en zilvermerken van Voet.
W. Koonings De keuring van goud en zilver tijdens het Koninkrijk Holland

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Re: CK silversmith. Netherlands possibly?

Postby Essexboy Fisher » Tue Aug 22, 2017 2:55 pm

Thanks Peter. I have just got back to my own WiFi system to be able to respond. A 200 plus year old Dutch coffee spoon is certainly a special in my collection.
Yours
Fishless


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