Dutch powder box ?

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Dutch powder box ?

Postby anikopol » Sat Jul 08, 2017 11:50 am

Hi,

I am studying marks of what, I suppose, is a box used by a hunter for powder.
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I have very few documentation about Dutch silver, so any comments, correction or additionnal information is welcome !

What I see :
Two crosses in a crowned blazon: Amsterdam ? for which period ?
O ? under a crown: not identified
A lion passing towards the right over the figure 2 in a hexagon: 2nd title of the Netherlands (833,33/1000) (for which period ?)
O in a circle: Netherlands, on 1848 ? (not sure at all about the year)

Thanks for your advices !

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Re: Dutch powder box ?

Postby AG2012 » Sat Jul 08, 2017 12:12 pm

Hi,
I think we have Dutch pseudo marks here.
Probably late 19th century.
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Re: Dutch powder box ?

Postby oel » Sat Jul 08, 2017 2:58 pm

Yes, indeed Dutch pseudo marks. The only Dutch hallmark is the lion passant above 2 for 833/000 fineness used 1814-1953. The other marks are all Dutch pseudo marks. Pseudo Amsterdam town mark, O pseudo year letter, crowned I imitation of a Frisian year letter.
For Dutch (hall)marks see: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=32028. Check your box for other little marks ; proper year letter and assay office mark or Minerva head with a regional assay office letter in its helmet, and a Dutch maker's mark. Those marks could be spread over the box. Depending on the size it could be a tea caddy made around the turn of the 19th century.

Best,

Peter

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Re: Dutch powder box ?

Postby anikopol » Sun Jul 09, 2017 10:15 am

Thanks AG2012 and Peter for your advices.


Regarding size of the object : about 3,4 cm x 3,2 cm x 2,2 cm

Two additional pics :

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What I see notably :
a minerva head with the letter M : Schoonhoven, 1814-1905 (I am not 100% sure which minerva head it is, since I understood that there is two different heads : 1814-1905 and 1906 to present)

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the figure 3 or the letter z in an oval ? : unidentified mark (could it be the silversmith ?)

Any comments on these two marks ?

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Re: Dutch powder box ?

Postby AG2012 » Sun Jul 09, 2017 11:13 am

Hello again,
It`s too small even for a snuffbox. Possibly Lodderein (from "l'eau de reine", scented water on sponge placed in the box).
Equivalent to English vinaigrette.
Peter will comment the marks.
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Re: Dutch powder box ?

Postby oel » Sun Jul 09, 2017 1:27 pm

AG2012 is right, it is a lodderein box, made in Schoonhoven. Next to the assay office mark or Minerva head, used 1814-1905 I see two more pseudo marks One is the crowned O (imitation of a duty mark). The year letter is the script Z for 1884. No maker's mark found but Hooijkaas springs to mind.
See for information about Hooijkaas and pseudo marks:
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=28590#p71003




Peter.

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Re: Dutch powder box ?

Postby anikopol » Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:22 pm

Thank you for your information !

I look once more in order to find other marks, but I could not see any more marks.
But I understand that the Hooijkaas firm was quite important in the city (thanks for the link), so that could indeed be a work from them.

Thanks !
My knowledge of Dutch silver is very weak...
Both of you seems to have a good knowledge of this subject !


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