Dutch pseudo mark?

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SilverK
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Dutch pseudo mark?

Postby SilverK » Mon Dec 26, 2016 11:01 am

I have this model of a violin, hollow, but with cast silver top and bottom. Purportedly, it has a maker's mark 'CU' and partial Amsterdam city mark, but I'm not sure, so I'm checking with the forum. Initially, I thought they were pseudo marks and part of the casting, but the back and front of the violin are each made of two joined panels of the same scene (four panels in all, though one with an applied bridge and one with an applied neck), and only one has marks. So perhaps they are real, after all. I would be interested in the forum's opinion. Whether or not they are real, who's mark this is and what is the approximate date of the piece? If only a pseudo mark, obviously this wouldn't be the real maker, in which case is it a Dutch or Hanau piece?

Many thanks.
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Re: Dutch pseudo mark?

Postby oel » Mon Dec 26, 2016 2:44 pm

Hi SilverK,

In my opinion we are looking at a modern brand of pseudo/fantasy or decorative marks neither Dutch nor Hanau perhaps made in Israel.

Best,

Oel.

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Re: Dutch pseudo mark?

Postby SilverK » Fri Dec 30, 2016 5:49 am

Hi oel,

I hope you had a great Christmas.

Thanks for your thoughts on this. It may have been made outside of Holland or Hanau, I don't know. What I can say is that it is highly unlikely to be of recent manufacture. Having the item in hand, with a clearly historical ding and level of tarnish in the inaccessible places, it seems to me to have been made around 1900 and no later than the first half of the 20th century.

Wishing you a successful collecting New Year!

Silverk.

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Re: Dutch pseudo mark?

Postby Bellissimo » Sun Jul 29, 2018 10:50 pm

Hello...Good morning.Is not the st Andreas cross the 3 x mark I see? Have a great week everyone. Ps...I know...I know...post is quite old....

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Re: Dutch pseudo mark?

Postby oel » Mon Jul 30, 2018 2:26 am

Hi,

To me it appears the three (Saint Andrew's)) crosses are part of the casting. For Amsterdam see;
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=32028#p80323


Peter.

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Re: Dutch pseudo mark?

Postby SilverK » Mon Jul 30, 2018 6:10 am

Good morning Gents,

Thanks very much for your continued interest in this item. I no longer have the piece, so the pictures are all we have to go by. I tend to agree that they do look like part of the casting, which means that the makers would have had three panels without the marks and one with.

Regards,

Silverk.


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