Irish Provincial Markings?, Unable to Identify Maker nor Harp

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J.S.
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Irish Provincial Markings?, Unable to Identify Maker nor Harp

Postby J.S. » Thu Dec 10, 2015 3:06 pm

I acquired this tray from one of my local South African antique auctioneer. The catalogue description was purposefully vague. I discussed the piece with the auctioneer. Neither of us could find a reference to these particular marks.

I carefully checked through Bennett's "Collecting Irish Silver" which is the most appropriate reference I have on the subject. I also checked through the regular references such as Tardy's International Hallmarks and the abridged version of Jacksons' Hallmarks.

Here is view of the piece from the top.
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Here is the underside of the piece. The hallmarks are in the centre of the piece.
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Here are all the hallmarks. As one can see, there certainly are a large amount of them.
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I have made enlargements of some of the more difficult groups:

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I felt like this could be the maker's mark and I present it rotated for easier analysis.
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I am looking for assistance with this piece. If perhaps the "D" mark (far left) does allude to a year. I have been unable to find this style of harp. Nor anything else.
I also did a search of the .925 resources.

I hope you will be able to assist me. I'm very interested to know more about this piece.

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Re: Irish Provincial Markings?, Unable to Identify Maker nor Harp

Postby oel » Thu Dec 10, 2015 5:24 pm

Hi J.S, welcome to the forum.

Dutch silver and made in the city of Utrecht, province of Utrecht.

The various variations of the Utrecht townmark.
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Utrecht town mark struck twice to indicate 1st standard silver. (town mark + province mark of Utrecht) 934/1000 fineness.
See:
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The crowned O is a later added taxfree mark.

The maker's mark CS for; Cornelis J. van Straatsburg, registered in Utrecht during 1748-1803. However it comes with a warning that this mark can also be encountered as a falsification. The year letter D for 1763 or 1787. My impression, the combination of date letter and townmark are for 1787. Below the maker's mark CS for Cornelis Johannus van Straatsburg:
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Redeem and tax mark of 1795;
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Utrecht's hat of Liberty, placed on a spear planted in the ground.
Please show us some enhanced, clear images of the marks, daylight, no flashlight. The weight of the salver and dimensions also, thanks.

Best,

Oel.

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Re: Irish Provincial Markings?, Unable to Identify Maker nor Harp

Postby J.S. » Fri Dec 11, 2015 2:36 pm

Hi Oel
Thank you for this welcoming and this extremely helpful reply.

The salver is 245mm in diameter and has a mass of 377g.

I have photographed the hallmarks under natural light:

This is the complete set:
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This is the main set:
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This is the "D" date stamp:
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This maker's mark.
Photograph I:
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Photograph II:
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Re: Irish Provincial Markings?, Unable to Identify Maker nor Harp

Postby oel » Fri Dec 11, 2015 4:17 pm

Hi J.S.

Thanks for the clear images. Great piece, although not Irish!

Best wishes,

Oel.


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