Maker of basting spoon.

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Maker of basting spoon.

Postby juantotree » Fri Apr 12, 2019 8:44 am

Hi

This 1874 Queens pattern basting spoon has a clear set of marks, other than the maker's mark which appears to have been deliberately defaced. I would welcome ay suggestions for possible candidates.

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Martin

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Re: Maker of basting spoon.

Postby SteveDWollongong » Fri Apr 12, 2019 8:52 am

Hi Martin,

HL over HL for Henry Lias and Son. See https://www.silvermakersmarks.co.uk/Mak ... HR.html#HL

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Re: Maker of basting spoon.

Postby juantotree » Fri Apr 12, 2019 8:55 am

Hi Steve,

Thanks for the reply, I did look at the Henry Lias options as the first set of initials is most likely HL. However I am struggling to interpret the 2nd letter in the other initials as being an L, it looks to me more like an S.

Martin

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Re: Maker of basting spoon.

Postby SteveDWollongong » Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:05 am

Hi Martin,

Wait and see what Phil thinks but I'm very comfortable with it as an L. Also the cartouche is very distinctive and a good match.
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Re: Maker of basting spoon.

Postby juantotree » Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:16 am

Hi Steve,

I agree wholeheartedly re the cartouche. I am beginning to wonder if the second initials are an amphersand and S, which could mean & Son. Maybe Lias decided not to use this and opted for the double HL instead. Also the way it as been defaced is quite professional, they have deliberately avoided damaging the cartouche shape.

Martin

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Re: Maker of basting spoon.

Postby silvermakersmarks » Fri Apr 12, 2019 11:44 am

There is certainly a resemblance to "HL" over "&S". However I think that the resemblance is just due to the way that the defacing has been done. I can't, off the top of my head, think of any other marks of this period which have exactly this shape so I would definitely go for "HL" over "HL".

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Re: Maker of basting spoon.

Postby juantotree » Sat Apr 13, 2019 1:55 am

Hi Phil

I have looked at the mark under a strong loupe, all the letters are still raised, I can't possibly see how this could ever have been a letter L, I am now almost certain it is an S.

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Re: Maker of basting spoon.

Postby silvermakersmarks » Sat Apr 13, 2019 2:08 am

If that is so then here is a possible explanation. Originally makers' marks had to consist of the initials of the name of the silversmith so HL over &S may not have been an approved form. If Lias & Son decided that they wanted a mark of that sort, produced the punch and then found that the Assay Office refused to register it they would have had to deface any instances already used. This is pure speculation of course....

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