Another quiz.......guess the hallmarked date

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Another quiz.......guess the hallmarked date

Postby mk209 » Thu Mar 07, 2019 5:55 am

Following on from Bucklers quiz it’s time to guess the date of this tablespoon. I’ll reveal the hallmarks after.

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Re: Another quiz.......guess the hallmarked date

Postby JanGroen » Thu Mar 07, 2019 11:58 am

Good day

My book say it is a bright-cut decorated Old English spoon from 1770-1780.

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Re: Another quiz.......guess the hallmarked date

Postby JanGroen » Thu Mar 07, 2019 11:59 am

It also looks like the same spoon from the book.

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Re: Another quiz.......guess the hallmarked date

Postby mk209 » Thu Mar 07, 2019 12:33 pm

No it doesn’t date to that period, yes you are right about the style and period but this spoon is a little surprising hence the quiz.

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Re: Another quiz.......guess the hallmarked date

Postby JanGroen » Thu Mar 07, 2019 1:07 pm

mk209 wrote:No it doesn’t date to that period, yes you are right about the style and period but this spoon is a little surprising hence the quiz.

That is interesting. So your spoon must be a copy/fake of the one in the book? It has the exact pattern and engraving.

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Re: Another quiz.......guess the hallmarked date

Postby mk209 » Thu Mar 07, 2019 1:20 pm

I would be interested to see a picture if it is exactly the same and know the maker and date. It will explain a little about my spoon.

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Re: Another quiz.......guess the hallmarked date

Postby JanGroen » Thu Mar 07, 2019 1:28 pm

mk209 wrote:I would be interested to see a picture if it is exactly the same and know the maker and date. It will explain a little about my spoon.

Matt


They only use the spoon as an example and don't show hallmarks. It is on page 26 of Simon Moore, SPOONS 1650-1930. Will take pic of it now.

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Re: Another quiz.......guess the hallmarked date

Postby buckler » Thu Mar 07, 2019 1:34 pm

Well, it purports to be Georgian period, even to the family marriage type owners initials . But as we are not allowed to see the assay and makers marks (not fair !) , I can only conclude that from style and bright-cutting as it can't be much earlier than 1770 it's later !

If it's a recent fake, it seems too good to worth the effort and cost involved in faking an item of fairly low value .

So I'm thinking late Victorian times when many such fakes abounded.
Samuel Jacob produced some Georgian style smallware , but this lacks his distinctive quirkiness, which was never intended to deceive .

So I'm going to suggest either Charles Twinam or Reuban Lyon as suspects

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Re: Another quiz.......guess the hallmarked date

Postby JanGroen » Thu Mar 07, 2019 1:40 pm

Here it is:

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Re: Another quiz.......guess the hallmarked date

Postby mk209 » Thu Mar 07, 2019 1:45 pm

@Buckler wrong :-)

Wow that is either my spoon or one from the set! So interested to know the maker and date then it would answer a question about my particular spoon.

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Re: Another quiz.......guess the hallmarked date

Postby buckler » Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:04 pm

Back to the Drawing Board for me then !

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Re: Another quiz.......guess the hallmarked date

Postby dognose » Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:23 pm

Hi Matt,

Is it a Thomas Bradbury & Sons piece?

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Re: Another quiz.......guess the hallmarked date

Postby mk209 » Fri Mar 08, 2019 2:24 pm

Ok you were all guessing the wrong direction, it’s actually the earliest known bright-cut spoon......

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........well, not really but ok it was made by R.H (unknown) in 1756 but as to why the time was taken to change the spoons shape and then bright cut it later in the 1790’s or so only the silversmith knows. That is why I would love to know who made the rest in the set so I knew who did all this work to what started out as a different spoon when made in 1756. It surprised me when I found it for sale.

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