some help with identity

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panatha
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some help with identity

Postby panatha » Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:11 am

Is Ivan khlebenikov?
Some help here for year and silvermaker?
Thanks in advance
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Goldstein
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Re: some help with identity

Postby Goldstein » Fri Sep 21, 2018 9:18 am

Hi panatha -

please show a photo of the object. Marks and quality are strange...

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panatha
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Re: some help with identity

Postby panatha » Fri Sep 21, 2018 10:20 am

thanks a lot
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Re: some help with identity

Postby Qrt.S » Fri Sep 21, 2018 10:51 am

The Swan mark is a French import mark and has nothing to do with the other marks. Anyway, is the mark right of the fineness mark (84) supposed to show the Imperial Double-Headed Eagle (court supplier mark)?

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Re: some help with identity

Postby Goldstein » Fri Sep 21, 2018 11:37 am

Hi panatha -

in my opinion later struck fake marks. Khlebnikov`s workmaster knew how to place correct marks. Doublestruck? No way!

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Re: some help with identity

Postby Adieu » Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:47 am

If it helps: Here's what I'm 99% sure is a Khlebnikov mark on a confirmed genuine 19th century article of Russian silver with known history

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Re: some help with identity

Postby dognose » Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:55 am

Hi Adieu,

Welcome to the Forum.

Your images are not showing, remember to use the Preview feature.

Trev.

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Re: some help with identity

Postby Goldstein » Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:40 pm

Hi Adieu -

welcome as a new member! Important is to know how to post images - there are tutorials on the forum.
To help a newcomer I post your image....

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Adieu wrote: Here's what I'm 99% sure is a Khlebnikov mark on a confirmed genuine 19th century article of Russian silver with known history


99% certainty is not good enough on a forum like that - as well as some gossip about the history/quote. We prefere facts.

Please look at the red arrows - the original maker was overstamped!
The cauliflower - like Court supplier´s eagle (later added) ist just a joke as well as the clumsy Khlebnikov punch.

Here an original punch:

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Here some original literature:

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Now compare!

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Goldstein

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Re: some help with identity

Postby AG2012 » Fri Dec 07, 2018 5:19 pm

Silver and leather notepad holder ?
Judging by engraved inscription it`s authentic Russian piece.
Can you show us the engraved text ?
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