Need help with Russian Silver 84 Belt Buckle

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Need help with Russian Silver 84 Belt Buckle

Postby kingpin777 » Mon Jun 25, 2018 5:32 pm

Hey anyone help me out if they know anything about this Caucasus belt buckle? Can't tell by the marks the details of origin and authenticity except that its 84 grade sterling silver. Any help is appreciated!

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Re: Need help with Russian Silver 84 Belt Buckle

Postby dognose » Mon Jun 25, 2018 5:34 pm

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Re: Need help with Russian Silver 84 Belt Buckle

Postby kingpin777 » Mon Jun 25, 2018 5:43 pm

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Re: Need help with Russian Silver 84 Belt Buckle

Postby kingpin777 » Mon Jun 25, 2018 5:47 pm

dognose wrote:Hi,

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Thank you Trev for your help, next post I will edit the right way.

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Re: Need help with Russian Silver 84 Belt Buckle

Postby AG2012 » Tue Jun 26, 2018 3:48 am

Hi,
Rather common Caucasus souvenir belt buckle in niello technique.
Marks are upside down.
Maker`s initials BA in Postnikova reference book can be:


823 Vasily Antonov Krasnogo village, Kostroma 1880 /1890

Moscow 1880s
2271 and 2272 V.Akimov
2273 and 2274 Vasily Agafonov
2275 to 2278 Vasily Andreev (can be excluded because after 1908)



Sharper images of the assay office mark are needed to distinguish the ship for Kostroma and StGeorge for Moscow.

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Re: Need help with Russian Silver 84 Belt Buckle

Postby Goldstein » Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:44 am

Hi kingpin777 -

here how these belt buckles were used - as part of the national costume

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Re: Need help with Russian Silver 84 Belt Buckle

Postby kingpin777 » Tue Jun 26, 2018 2:12 pm

AG2012 wrote:Hi,
Rather common Caucasus souvenir belt buckle in niello technique.
Marks are upside down.
Maker`s initials BA in Postnikova reference book can be:


823 Vasily Antonov Krasnogo village, Kostroma 1880 /1890

Moscow 1880s
2271 and 2272 V.Akimov
2273 and 2274 Vasily Agafonov
2275 to 2278 Vasily Andreev (can be excluded because after 1908)



Sharper images of the assay office mark are needed to distinguish the ship for Kostroma and StGeorge for Moscow.

Regards


Thanks a lot for the info, very helpful. I will look into it and I'll submit close up pictures soon.

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Re: Need help with Russian Silver 84 Belt Buckle

Postby kingpin777 » Tue Jun 26, 2018 2:15 pm

Goldstein wrote:Hi kingpin777 -

here how these belt buckles were used - as part of the national costume

Image

Regards
Goldstein

Wow, looks very nice! Thanks Goldstein, do you know who used to wear these buckles, military, civilians or maybe government workers? Thanks

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Re: Need help with Russian Silver 84 Belt Buckle

Postby Goldstein » Tue Jun 26, 2018 2:27 pm

Hi kingpin777 -

Civilians.

Values are not common in this forum!

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Re: Need help with Russian Silver 84 Belt Buckle

Postby kingpin777 » Tue Jun 26, 2018 2:30 pm

Goldstein wrote:Hi kingpin777 -

Civilians.

Values are not common in this forum!

Regards
Goldstein

Thanks for the help. I didn't know about the values in the forum, sorry I am new to this.

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Re: Need help with Russian Silver 84 Belt Buckle

Postby Dad » Tue Jun 26, 2018 6:01 pm

This Belt Buckle was made in Novocherkassk 1882-1899.
It isn't " part of the national costume ". It was souvenir for the memory of the Caucasus.
You see an inscription on a buckle - "Кавказ" (Caucasus)

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Re: Need help with Russian Silver 84 Belt Buckle

Postby AG2012 » Wed Jun 27, 2018 3:02 am

Hello again,
Novocherkassk was known for Caucasus souvenirs in niello. Not a single maker is identified in PL.
This is the mark you should see with good magnifying glass (rather complicated coat of arms simplified in the mark used in late 19th century).
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