Russian Niello Belt

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Russian Niello Belt

Postby chosx » Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:55 pm

A relative of mine came possession of this item and we're having a little trouble identifying it. Neither of us has been able to find the maker of this thing. To me it looks like the stamp is either "JmC", "JnC", or "JwC" to my untrained eyes.. If anyone can provide any information it would be greatly appreciated!

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Re: Russian Niello Belt

Postby AG2012 » Tue Dec 19, 2017 4:25 am

Hi,
The second Kokoshnik mark (1908-1926) with Greek letter ``nu`` for Kiev assay office.
http://www.925-1000.com/Frussia_kokoshnik_01.html
Maker СиГ is unknown to me.
One of the souvenirs from Caucasus.Every link marked prior to soldering.Tiny vent holes for very hot air during soldering process.
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Re: Russian Niello Belt

Postby AG2012 » Tue Dec 19, 2017 6:38 am

Take a look here for СиK
viewtopic.php?f=46&t=49304
СиK mark was identified being a trading house, examples for СиГ shown by Goldstein (and yours) are unidentified.Average niello quality for tourists.
I suspected letter ``и`` in cursive was not a middle name of the maker but ``and``.
Therefore,СиГ could also be a joint enterprise (two silversmiths) , or another trading house.Those niello souvenirs from Caucasus were very popular and widely distributed even outside Kiev and Caucasus region.

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Re: Russian Niello Belt

Postby Qrt.S » Tue Dec 19, 2017 8:34 am

Interesting, did "Степанов и Красильников" have a subsidiary in Kiev. In the link the kokshnik has Moscow's delta? Does anybody know?

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Re: Russian Niello Belt

Postby AG2012 » Tue Dec 19, 2017 9:17 am

"Степанов и Красильников" always with delta and mentioned in Skurlov as Moscow trader, as well in Ulyanova G.N.( Ульянова Г.Н.) ``Shops in Red Square XIX - beginning XX century.``
СиГ is with Kiev ``nu``.

I have no clue for СиГ in Kiev but its assay office covered vast territory.
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Re: Russian Niello Belt

Postby Goldstein » Tue Dec 19, 2017 9:26 am

Hi -

here a better mark - often on folklore articles (souvenirs) from Kiev for the tourists from Russia.
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Re: Russian Niello Belt

Postby chosx » Tue Dec 19, 2017 12:07 pm

Wow, we were way off! Thanks for the contributions and help

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Re: Russian Niello Belt

Postby chosx » Tue Dec 19, 2017 12:10 pm

I apologize if this isn't the place to ask,

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