Please help me to identify this box

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Please help me to identify this box

Postby nnerka1 » Wed Nov 29, 2017 7:29 am

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Re: Please help me to identify this box

Postby Qrt.S » Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:39 am

The mark in the middle is not a maker's mark but the assayer's mark. He is Nikolay Dubrovin in Moscow active 1822-1855/62. The maker's mark is in the red circle. It is impossible to read. Please show the same mark in the lid. The manufacturing year seems to be 1827.
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Re: Please help me to identify this box

Postby nnerka1 » Wed Nov 29, 2017 9:56 am

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Re: Please help me to identify this box

Postby Goldstein » Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:48 am

Hi nnerka1 -

This is a very nice, early niello snuff box. Congratulations! If you own it, please clean it with soap/water and a soft tooth brush to remove the residue of an old cleaning agent (the white stuff!). The condition is excellent!
The maker is a well known niello maker (objects from him are in 2 major Russian museums exhibited) but unfortunately not by name!

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Image = cigarette cases in niello

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Goldstein

source: PL, p.229, #2960

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Re: Please help me to identify this box

Postby nnerka1 » Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:54 am

Thank you very much

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Re: Please help me to identify this box

Postby Qrt.S » Fri Dec 01, 2017 2:45 am

@nnerka1
The maker's mark to the left is very unclear. Goldstein could be right, but..? I would, anyway, like to see the mark when you have cleaned it if you please.

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Re: Please help me to identify this box

Postby Aguest » Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:26 pm

Also what is the mark to the right of the "84" hallmark? That would be the town mark?

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Re: Please help me to identify this box

Postby Qrt.S » Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:29 pm

Riding St. George slaughtering the dragon. It is the town mark for Moscow.

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Re: Please help me to identify this box

Postby Goldstein » Sat Dec 02, 2017 7:11 pm

Hi Aguest -

here the correct mark - fitting to the maker´s mark 1826-27

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source: PL, #2007

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Re: Please help me to identify this box

Postby Qrt.S » Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:30 am

I'm afraid that the town mark shown by Goldstein is not the same as on the box. The correct one looks like this:
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It is a bit unclear when it was used but 1816(20)-1830 is close enough.
(P#2005, a more specific period is mentioned above and not only 1816 as in Postnikova)

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Re: Please help me to identify this box

Postby nnerka1 » Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:44 pm

Thank you


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