Help identifying napkin ring that once belong to a nobility
Help identifying napkin ring that once belong to a nobility
Hi, acquire a napkin ring, done some research / guess work on it but I am not sure if they are correct. Any feedback/help would be appreciated.
It has the dvoinik (double) assay mark which was used from 1882- 1899
http://www.925-1000.com/Frussia_city_01.html
http://www.925-1000.com/Frussia_assay_variations.html
Maker's Mark PJS which belong to Silvennoinen Pekka 1886- 1908
http://www.925-1000.com/forum/viewtopic ... 46&t=22052
And I believe it has the crown of nobility which indicated that it hd once belonged to a noble family.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_(heraldry)#Russia
This is as far as my research has taken me, it has 2 or 3 letters engraved below the crown I am pretty certain that the last letter is a "B" however I couldn't make out the rest, it looks to be a "A" however it could be in Russian all together.
It has the dvoinik (double) assay mark which was used from 1882- 1899
http://www.925-1000.com/Frussia_city_01.html
http://www.925-1000.com/Frussia_assay_variations.html
Maker's Mark PJS which belong to Silvennoinen Pekka 1886- 1908
http://www.925-1000.com/forum/viewtopic ... 46&t=22052
And I believe it has the crown of nobility which indicated that it hd once belonged to a noble family.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_(heraldry)#Russia
This is as far as my research has taken me, it has 2 or 3 letters engraved below the crown I am pretty certain that the last letter is a "B" however I couldn't make out the rest, it looks to be a "A" however it could be in Russian all together.
Re: Help identifying napkin ring that once belong to a nobil
Hi kevalie -
all your researches are correct - compliment! I vote for kyrillic alphabeth - the letters П В = P W
The crown is a Count´s crown - see the Russian cigarette case from the same time period.
Regards
Zolotnik
all your researches are correct - compliment! I vote for kyrillic alphabeth - the letters П В = P W
The crown is a Count´s crown - see the Russian cigarette case from the same time period.
Regards
Zolotnik
Re: Help identifying napkin ring that once belong to a nobil
Thanks Zolotnik, do you have any idea who has the initial П В = P W during that period?
Re: Help identifying napkin ring that once belong to a nobil
Btw very nice looking cigarette case, and a unusual crest.
Re: Help identifying napkin ring that once belong to a nobil
Hi kevalie -
A ship is 350 Meters long , 25 Meters broad and 27 Meters high - what is the name of the captain?
On the other shown cigarette case is no interesting crest - it are the interwined kyr. initial letters ЛШ = LT
Regards
Zolotnik
Very funny question! Of course I know all the people in Russia with the initials PW - but I will not tell until you solved the following riddle:kevalie wrote:Thanks Zolotnik, do you have any idea who has the initial П В = P W during that period?
A ship is 350 Meters long , 25 Meters broad and 27 Meters high - what is the name of the captain?
On the other shown cigarette case is no interesting crest - it are the interwined kyr. initial letters ЛШ = LT
Regards
Zolotnik
Re: Help identifying napkin ring that once belong to a nobil
Hi Zolotnik,
Correct me if I am wrong but since they have the Count's crown are they not of nobility if that is the case then it should eliminated vast number of people.
and just for fun I was looking at the dimension of the sea vessels and not too many of them are close to 350 metres in length and all of them have a beam over 40 metres so it's safe to say the ship with your dimension never exist in the human history.
Kevin
Correct me if I am wrong but since they have the Count's crown are they not of nobility if that is the case then it should eliminated vast number of people.
and just for fun I was looking at the dimension of the sea vessels and not too many of them are close to 350 metres in length and all of them have a beam over 40 metres so it's safe to say the ship with your dimension never exist in the human history.
Kevin
Re: Help identifying napkin ring that once belong to a nobil
Hi Kevin,
Wrong answer see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Batea ... Allure.svg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wo ... gest_ships
Shell Prelude: 488 metres (1,601 ft) long, 74 metres (243 ft) wide, and 87 meters high.
Cheers,
Oel.
Wrong answer see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Batea ... Allure.svg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wo ... gest_ships
Shell Prelude: 488 metres (1,601 ft) long, 74 metres (243 ft) wide, and 87 meters high.
Cheers,
Oel.
Re: Help identifying napkin ring that once belong to a nobil
Hi Oel,
You are missing something here, the dimensions given are 350 meters in length, 25 Meters broad and 27 Meters high, I would be impress if you can find a sea vessel with such dimensions.
Kevalie
You are missing something here, the dimensions given are 350 meters in length, 25 Meters broad and 27 Meters high, I would be impress if you can find a sea vessel with such dimensions.
Kevalie
Re: Help identifying napkin ring that once belong to a nobil
Hi Kevin,
Ah yes, the nautical beam you referred to is the most extreme width (or breadth) of a nautical vessel, or a point alongside the ship at the midpoint of its length.
Touché
Regards,
Oel
Ah yes, the nautical beam you referred to is the most extreme width (or breadth) of a nautical vessel, or a point alongside the ship at the midpoint of its length.
Touché
Regards,
Oel
Re: Help identifying napkin ring that once belong to a nobil
Hi Kevin -
let´s stop the nonsense - back to work!
Here some interesting facts for your unquenchable thirst to know - try this: Russian nobility - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Regards
Zolotnik
let´s stop the nonsense - back to work!
Here some interesting facts for your unquenchable thirst to know - try this: Russian nobility - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Regards
Zolotnik
Re: Help identifying napkin ring that once belong to a nobil
HI Zolotnik,
Thanks for the inform, wish I could go through it tonight but it's almost midnight here in Sydney and I am heading to Tassie for a 7 days trip the very next morning. I was going to the following forum http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php to dig up more inform about the royalty and nobility but your page is certainly a good start.
Kevin
Thanks for the inform, wish I could go through it tonight but it's almost midnight here in Sydney and I am heading to Tassie for a 7 days trip the very next morning. I was going to the following forum http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php to dig up more inform about the royalty and nobility but your page is certainly a good start.
Kevin
Re: Help identifying napkin ring that once belong to a nobil
Hi Oel,
I did learn a few things on the sea vessels, never thought one can be over the length of 4 football fields.
Kevin
I did learn a few things on the sea vessels, never thought one can be over the length of 4 football fields.
Kevin
Re: Help identifying napkin ring that once belong to a nobil
Hi kevalie -
an other good book (with alphabethic names)- just google for it:
Russian Heraldry and Nobility
The Book: This book Russian Heraldry and Nobility (1992, first edition, 700 pages) was published and copyrighted by Dramco Publishers, Boynton Beach, Florida (now ...
http://www.feefhs.org/links/Russia/rhn/rhn-idx.html - Im Cache
an other good book (with alphabethic names)- just google for it:
Russian Heraldry and Nobility
The Book: This book Russian Heraldry and Nobility (1992, first edition, 700 pages) was published and copyrighted by Dramco Publishers, Boynton Beach, Florida (now ...
http://www.feefhs.org/links/Russia/rhn/rhn-idx.html - Im Cache