What do you think, is this Reval maker Johann Wilhelm Friedrich Wulf (Фёдор Вульф) from St.Petersburg?
A.N.Ivanov write that Wulf began working in 1805, then in 1863 he was a very-very old man...
Thanks in advance.
Reval maker Wulf
Reval maker Wulf
Hi all!
What do you think, is this Reval maker Johann Wilhelm Friedrich Wulf (Фёдор Вульф) from St.Petersburg?
A.N.Ivanov write that Wulf began working in 1805, then in 1863 he was a very-very old man...
Thanks in advance.
What do you think, is this Reval maker Johann Wilhelm Friedrich Wulf (Фёдор Вульф) from St.Petersburg?
A.N.Ivanov write that Wulf began working in 1805, then in 1863 he was a very-very old man...
Thanks in advance.
Re: Reval maker Wulf
No, it is not that Wulf, it is another person. It is Georg Wilhelm Wulff 1838-1882 in Tallinn. He also marked GW or G.W The assayer is Jakov Natarov also in Tallinn 1853-1869. That is the man. Mind my saying but you made a hasty conclusion. Don't you see the difference between the marks?
Re: Reval maker Wulf
Hi Qrt.S!
Many thanks for your reply! Of course, I saw the difference between the marks, but I had no information about Wulff, except Ivanov. Many makers have used different versions of marks ...
Many thanks for your reply! Of course, I saw the difference between the marks, but I had no information about Wulff, except Ivanov. Many makers have used different versions of marks ...
Re: Reval maker Wulf
Hello Ubaranda,
Please keep in mind not to trust 100% on Ivanov unless there is a picture of the mark and not even then.... Ivanov's biggest problem is that if he doesn't know what mark/punch a master has used, he takes for granted that it is the master's initals e.g. "Valdimir Ivanov" = IV. That assumption cannot be made! . Another problem is that there is not a single unknown master or mark mentioned i Ivanov's blue volumes. In additon, only masters in Moscow and St Petersburg are listed no others.
Please keep in mind not to trust 100% on Ivanov unless there is a picture of the mark and not even then.... Ivanov's biggest problem is that if he doesn't know what mark/punch a master has used, he takes for granted that it is the master's initals e.g. "Valdimir Ivanov" = IV. That assumption cannot be made! . Another problem is that there is not a single unknown master or mark mentioned i Ivanov's blue volumes. In additon, only masters in Moscow and St Petersburg are listed no others.
Re: Reval maker Wulf
Ähhh, a typo. "Valdimir Ivanov = ВИ (VI).
And yes, masters used different punches, which makes it difficult sometimes. In such a case you must fall back to other indications, like working periods, assayer and/or town. In Russian Estonia it is particularly difficult because the assayer was located in Reval/Tallinn or Tartu/Dorpat (In Latvia/Courland in Riga and Jelgava) but some master were domiciled elsewhere. Therefore there can be mismatches between the assayer's location and master's location (the town mark). Still it is a correct marking....in most cases :-)))
And yes, masters used different punches, which makes it difficult sometimes. In such a case you must fall back to other indications, like working periods, assayer and/or town. In Russian Estonia it is particularly difficult because the assayer was located in Reval/Tallinn or Tartu/Dorpat (In Latvia/Courland in Riga and Jelgava) but some master were domiciled elsewhere. Therefore there can be mismatches between the assayer's location and master's location (the town mark). Still it is a correct marking....in most cases :-)))
Re: Reval maker Wulf
Hi -
here are the correct marks of Wulff:
source: A. Leistikow, Baltisches Silber
In his books Ivanov often uses marks taken from fakes. So watch out!
Regards
Zolotnik
here are the correct marks of Wulff:
source: A. Leistikow, Baltisches Silber
In his books Ivanov often uses marks taken from fakes. So watch out!
Regards
Zolotnik
Re: Reval maker Wulf
It is correct as Zolotnik states and in addition, Wulff also marked WULF with only one F as in this case. He also marked G.W with a dot as well as without it (GW). Leistikow doesn't show all punches. One should also be careful not to mix the GW mark without a dot with Gustav Weiss who also marked GW and no dot. He was active a bit earlier but still...