Back with another find... I will try my own analysis:
- hallmarks: Kokoshnik Mark: Moscow, After 1908; I'm not confident with the "88" mark, frequently rare! ; the maker's mark confirms Moscow. Grigory Sbetnayev (1893) seems to be the maker but is that not in contradiction with the Kokoshnik Mark which states "after 1908"?
- design: I'm not sure the "bowl" is an authentic one: looks to have been repaired/glued! Moreover, is the design of the bowl in line with the 1908's "standards"? ; about the engraving parts: they look nearly similar, but may be a little bit too poor to be honest!
I know literatures start to be a real need in my inquiries, and I promise I'm going to do what I have to do asap! Moreover, if you're fed up with my asks, do not hesitate to tell me, I would easily understand! ;-)
Thank you for your answers!
Smokanabeach
Is it Fake or Not?8
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Re: Is it Fake or Not?8
Hi
Smokanabeach,
Take it easy, very easy please... :))
Regards,
Asti
Smokanabeach,
Take it easy, very easy please... :))
Regards,
Asti
Re: Is it Fake or Not?8
Hi!
Not authentic, your initial intuition was correct, poor quality, poor enamel, glued poor quality top etc. The marks are also fakes. Read about Zolotnik's detailed writings of enamel. I would not recommend to start with enamel silver items.
Regards,
Juke
Not authentic, your initial intuition was correct, poor quality, poor enamel, glued poor quality top etc. The marks are also fakes. Read about Zolotnik's detailed writings of enamel. I would not recommend to start with enamel silver items.
Regards,
Juke
Re: Is it Fake or Not?8
Hi -
sorry to tell you: a fake again!
Some reasons why it is a fake:
1) Kokoshnik for the year 1908 - 1926 (Imperial silver ended with the Revolution 1917!), town: Moscow
2) Silver content 88 (916,67/1000), used for better quality objects
3) maker: Sbitnev Grigorij Michailowitsch, Master workshop from 1893 until the Revolution. Enamel with shading, Art noveau influence. Colours: grey, olive-green, dark blue, yellow.
The marks are too big, have nearly the same size
The enamel clausonné is crudely made, look at the wires - they should be twisted and not galvano-made. The colours and the quality does not fit to Sbitnev. Facit: a plump, ugly fake.
Just to show you how objects from Sbitnev look, here a photo:
Regards
Zolotnik
sorry to tell you: a fake again!
Some reasons why it is a fake:
1) Kokoshnik for the year 1908 - 1926 (Imperial silver ended with the Revolution 1917!), town: Moscow
2) Silver content 88 (916,67/1000), used for better quality objects
3) maker: Sbitnev Grigorij Michailowitsch, Master workshop from 1893 until the Revolution. Enamel with shading, Art noveau influence. Colours: grey, olive-green, dark blue, yellow.
The marks are too big, have nearly the same size
The enamel clausonné is crudely made, look at the wires - they should be twisted and not galvano-made. The colours and the quality does not fit to Sbitnev. Facit: a plump, ugly fake.
Just to show you how objects from Sbitnev look, here a photo:
Regards
Zolotnik
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Re: Is it Fake or Not?8
Thanks for your reactions!
I was guessing it could be fake, but (as you cans see), I tried to analyse with the different "tools" you gave me Zolotnik! One thing is a huge evidence: the poor quality compared to the pictures you posted!
But, as you can see, I (slowly) begin to understand the way to "understand" russian silver. I'm far from the end (if we can say there is a peak in russian silver analys!), but before goieng forward, I have to deal with the premises!
Thank you for your help: thanks to the "fakes", I will better understand the "trues"!
Regards.
Nicolas
I was guessing it could be fake, but (as you cans see), I tried to analyse with the different "tools" you gave me Zolotnik! One thing is a huge evidence: the poor quality compared to the pictures you posted!
But, as you can see, I (slowly) begin to understand the way to "understand" russian silver. I'm far from the end (if we can say there is a peak in russian silver analys!), but before goieng forward, I have to deal with the premises!
Thank you for your help: thanks to the "fakes", I will better understand the "trues"!
Regards.
Nicolas