The third "chapter" of my enquiries ;-)
My opinion: Assayer: Ivan Lebedkin, Moscou, 1899; Maker: Unknown
Thanks again, and do not hesitate if other pics are needed
Is it Fake or Not? 3
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Hi Smokanabeach -
Townmark: Moscow 1899-1908
Assayer: Ivan Ivanowitsch Lebedkin 1899
Maker: probably Ivan Ivanowitsch Ovtschinnikov 1875-1896 (?), unclear date but the small round stamp (quality confirmation) points to him. Several stopki and piomki from him in my collecton. Typical quality. PL # 2506
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Zolotnik
Townmark: Moscow 1899-1908
Assayer: Ivan Ivanowitsch Lebedkin 1899
Maker: probably Ivan Ivanowitsch Ovtschinnikov 1875-1896 (?), unclear date but the small round stamp (quality confirmation) points to him. Several stopki and piomki from him in my collecton. Typical quality. PL # 2506
Regards
Zolotnik
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Re: Is it Fake or Not? 3
Thanks again guys for this good job! Just a question: is the small round stamp we can find at the bottom of the cup a guarantee of authenticity?
Thanks for your answer.
Smokanabeach
Thanks for your answer.
Smokanabeach
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Hi Smokanabeach -
Now you show that you have not done your homework. How can you estimate/collect an object if you do not know at least the most essential marks and how the Russian silversmithing worked.
Please do not ask the forum for private lessons - there are enough books on the market or in librarys which you can read...Knowledge is your friend!!
Lesson 1 - and the last:
In Russia each part which was fitted to an object had to be marked with the silver content (handles, spouts, decorations etc-). Your stopka is made out of 2 or 3 parts - according to the law every extra part had to be marked - a time consuming and ugly method. Immagine each ring of the stand would be marked - so there was this little round stamp to show that all parts were made out of 84 Zolotniki silver.
A guarantee for authenticity stamp is sensless - in those days fakes were unknown - you bought in shops new - today the fakers would fake this stamp too like the others.
Regards
Zolotnik
Now you show that you have not done your homework. How can you estimate/collect an object if you do not know at least the most essential marks and how the Russian silversmithing worked.
Please do not ask the forum for private lessons - there are enough books on the market or in librarys which you can read...Knowledge is your friend!!
Lesson 1 - and the last:
In Russia each part which was fitted to an object had to be marked with the silver content (handles, spouts, decorations etc-). Your stopka is made out of 2 or 3 parts - according to the law every extra part had to be marked - a time consuming and ugly method. Immagine each ring of the stand would be marked - so there was this little round stamp to show that all parts were made out of 84 Zolotniki silver.
A guarantee for authenticity stamp is sensless - in those days fakes were unknown - you bought in shops new - today the fakers would fake this stamp too like the others.
Regards
Zolotnik
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Re: Is it Fake or Not? 3
You're right Zolotnik! I've got to find by myself!
Moreover, I guessed the stamp was obligatory in each part of a silver item... That the same for the french one!
I've got to improve myself and be logic!
Thanks for the time you grant to me ;-)
Smokanabeach
Moreover, I guessed the stamp was obligatory in each part of a silver item... That the same for the french one!
I've got to improve myself and be logic!
Thanks for the time you grant to me ;-)
Smokanabeach