Some Known Journeymen Silversmiths and Other Employees

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Postby dognose » Sun Mar 14, 2010 4:34 am

Martha Clark(e) (Grimwade p.313)
Charles Clarke (Son)
William Clarke (Son)
John Allen (as at April 1801)
William Hawes (as at August 1802)

John Allen is noted as being 22 years and William Hawes as 14 years of age at the above dates.

John Riley (Reily) (Grimwade 1627-8, 2033) as at January 1802
William Key (Perhaps Grimwade 3212)
Henry Hawkins (Apprentice)
Nathaniel Phillips (Apprentice)

William Gray (Grey) (Heal p.163) as at November 1802
George Smith (Shopman)

George Smith was 23 years of age at the above date.

Source: Old Bailey Court Records

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Postby dognose » Mon Mar 15, 2010 5:47 am

Richard Clarke (Heal p.126) as at October 1800
William Boyce Clarke (Partner)
William Wright (Porter)

Link to a billhead of Richard Clarke:
http://www.britishmuseum.org/research/s ... _id=390729

George Price (Heal p.227) as at October 1800
Thomas Dean (Porter)

Stephen Adams (Grimwade 2472, 3203) as at November 1800
Richard Plater (Apprentice)
Frederick Everard (Outworker Chain Maker)

Source: Old Bailey Court Records

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Postby dognose » Tue Mar 16, 2010 2:15 pm

Lewis Pantin II (Grimwade 1959) as at March 1800
Charles Spring (Porter)

Link to the trade card of Lewis Pantin:
http://www.britishmuseum.org/research/s ... _id=393675

and another:
http://www.britishmuseum.org/research/s ... _id=393667

and yet another:
http://www.britishmuseum.org/research/s ... _id=360587

Hector Essex (Heal p.137, 148) as at July 1799
William Edmunds
John Edmunds (Brother of above)
.......Webb

At the above date Hector Essex's premises are noted as at Bridge's Street, Covent Garden. Heal recorded Essex's premises in 1790 as at 223/224 Strand, so either he moved in the meantime or acquired additional premises.

Source: Old Bailey Court Records

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Postby dognose » Wed Mar 17, 2010 5:46 am

Stephen Adams I & II (Grimwade 2472, 3203) as at February 1798
Stephen Adams
Stephen Adams (Son of above)
John Lemay (Clerk)
.......Green

There has often been much confusion over which Stephen Adams was running this firm in the final years of the 1700's. The trial from which these details are noted clears much of the muddy water. Stephen Adams I was still very much heading the firm, in partnership with his son, in 1798, and not, as Arthur Grimwade suggested 'retired about 1790'. His tone at the trial suggests that he is still, very much, number one and in control of the company.

.......Green, the journeyman, as stated by SA I, had worked for Adams for 'upwards of twenty years'.

Full details of the trial can be seen at: http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.j ... 7980214-58

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Postby dognose » Fri Mar 19, 2010 4:58 am

Henry Lee (Heal p.193) as at February 1798
Elizabeth Lee (Wife of above)
Samuel Phillips (Brother of Elizabeth and perhaps connected with the business)

Elizabeth and Samuel were of Dutch origin.

Thomas Gooch (Grimwade p.320) as at October 1797
William Tink
Thomas Pryer (Apprentice)

Dingwell & Prathernon (Heal p.142) as at December 1795
John Dingwall (Partner)
David Prathernon (Pratt Vernon) (Partner)
Gerard (Gerald) Baillieu (Partner)

John Dingwall was one of the most eminent jewellers in London at this time. He was born in January 1724 and died on the 28th May 1812. He was thought to have amassed a fortune of £250,000, a vast sum in those times, from the jewellery business. He died childless, and left his part of the firm to his grandnephew, also called John Dingwall (born 1770, died 1833), and the business then became known as 'Dingwell & Baillieu'.

The Dingwalls were related to the Gordon family of silversmiths of Madras fame.

Source: Old Bailey Court Records

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Postby dognose » Sat Mar 20, 2010 11:16 am

Wetherell & Janaway (Heal p.266) as at December 1795
Thomas Wetherell (Partner)
John Janaway (Partner)

Link to the trade card of Wetherell & Janaway:
http://www.britishmuseum.org/research/s ... _id=402909

and another:
http://www.britishmuseum.org/research/s ... _id=360752

William Turton (Grimwade 3341-2, 3356) as at September 1795
Thomas Wood (Errand Boy)

Link to the trade card of William Turton:
http://www.britishmuseum.org/research/s ... _id=402544

Thomas Wood was 13 years of age at the above date. At that time he had been working for William Turton for two years.

Robert Chandler (Heal p.123) as at August 1795
William Deane (Shopman)

Link to the trade card of Robert Chandler:
http://www.britishmuseum.org/research/s ... _id=405705

and another:
http://www.britishmuseum.org/research/s ... _id=405711

Source: Old Bailey Court Records

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Postby dognose » Sun Mar 21, 2010 5:44 pm

John Chadwick (Heal p.122) as at January 1795
Joseph Thornicraft (Partner)
William Gerrard (Shopman)

Norton & Thornhill (Heal p.214) as at December 1794
James Norton (Partner)
Joseph Thornhill (Partner)
William Wright (Apprentice to James Norton)
Thomas Thornhill (Son of Joseph Thornhill)

Source: Old Bailey Court Records

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Postby dognose » Mon Mar 22, 2010 2:44 pm

Thomas Harding (Grimwade 1799) as at October 1787
Ann Harding (Partner) (Widow)
Mary Ann Harding (Partner) (Daughter of Ann)
Ann Harding (Partner) (Daughter of Ann)
Elizabeth Harding (Partner) (Daughter of Ann)
.......Harding (Son of Ann (Senior))

As can be seen from the above, Thomas Harding was deceased by October 1787 and it is very likely that he was the Thomas Harding, silversmith, that was buried at St. Bennett's, Paul's Wharf, on the 7th March 1787, as recorded by Arthur Grimwade.

The business appears to have passed to the female line, which is somewhat unusual as Thomas had at least one son, also called Thomas, who was a goldsmith, and possibly two others, John and Benjamin, who were also Free of the Goldsmiths Company. Perhaps the sons were already well established in their own business's, but at least one son, who may well be a different individual from those already noted, was still working in his Mother's and Sister's business.

The address noted from the court case that the above details were found was No. 43, The Minories, the same as recorded by Ambrose Heal for Thomas Harding and for Thomas Harding & Co.

Link to the trade card of Thomas Harding:
http://www.britishmuseum.org/research/s ... _id=400444

and:
http://www.britishmuseum.org/research/s ... _id=400365

As can be seen from Ambrose Heal's notes, this business became known as 'Harding & Proudman' in around 1809.

Source: Old Bailey Court Records

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Postby dognose » Thu Mar 25, 2010 2:52 pm

John Grant (Grimwade 1336) as at February 1787
James Lucas (Shopman)

At the above date, James Lucas had worked for John Grant for 2 to 3 years.

T & H Davies (Grimwade p.381. Heal p.137) as at December 1786
Thomas Davies (Partner)
Henry Davies (Partner)
William James Shaw
Charles Robertson

Source: Old Bailey Court Records

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Postby dognose » Sat Apr 03, 2010 3:21 pm

Robert Garrard (Grimwade 1760, 2320) as at June 1809
James Crespall
Jasper Crespall (Son of above)
John Beadnell

The above information comes from an Old Bailey trial where John Beadnell, a journeyman silversmith in the employ of one Robert Gerrard (sic), was accused of stealing some silver clippings during the manufacture of a teapot. The interesting detail is the father and son pairing, the 'Crespalls'. This almost certainly is another misspelling and would undoubtedly be James Crespel, the brother of Sebastian Crespal I (Grimwade 2497) and the brother-in-law, not father-in-law as suggested by Arthur Grimwade, of Robert Garrard. James and Sebastian Crespel had worked many years for Wakelin and Taylor. James and Jasper Crespel both appear to be in positions of authority in the establishment of Robert Garrard.

Source: Old Bailey Court Records

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Postby dognose » Sun Apr 04, 2010 11:56 am

John Pons as at September 1709
Elie Lorphelin

Order for discharging Elie Lorphelin from his apprenticehood with John Pons, Silversmith, of the Parish of St Annes, Westminster. It was complained that Pons had beaten him "with a horse whalebone whip, both with his clothes on, and without, and kicked him"

Source: Middlesex County Records. Sessions Book 674 - October 1709

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Postby dognose » Mon Apr 05, 2010 3:16 am

Francis Drake as at May 1702
Charles Frazier

Order as to the dispute between Francis Drake, of the Parish of St Giles-in-the-Fields, Jeweller, and Charles Frazier, his apprentice.

Source: Middlesex County Records. Session Book 595 - May 1702

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Postby dognose » Sun Apr 11, 2010 5:38 pm

Matthew Govett (Grimwade p.345) as at October 1809
Reubin Chaplin (Probably Errand Boy)

Matthew Need (Grimwade p.345) as at January 1810
Thomas Beeby (aka Robinson) (Errand Boy)

William Cartlidge (Grimwade 3067-8) as at December 1810
Thomas Bryan

Thomas Bryan was aged 15 years of age at the above date.

Source: Old Bailey Court Records

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Postby dognose » Sun Jun 06, 2010 3:12 pm

William Eaton (Grimwade 3105-6) as at February 1786
Thomas Chant
Edmund Reader
George Matthews (Apprentice)

Source: Old Bailey Court Records

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Re: Some Known Journeymen Silversmiths

Postby dognose » Wed Jul 28, 2010 10:23 am

William Jamieson of Aberdeen

David Pirie (Pirrie) (Apprentice) Indentured 1807
William Gray (Apprentice) indentured 1814
John Stewart (Apprentice) indentured 1816
Andrew Sutherland (Apprentice)

David Izat (Journeyman) (probably c.1825-1835)

It is thought likely that David Izat worked for William Jamieson as a journeyman. Izat had served an apprenticeship of seven years (indentured 3rd June 1786) under James Gordon. Following a period (1794-1799) working in Banff, Izat returned to Aberdeen (c.1800) to work for George Roger, who was now the sole owner of James Gordon & Co. following the retirement of James Gordon (c.1795). George Roger died in 1825 and his business was absorbed by William Jamieson, so it is likely that Izat, who would have been in his fifties at this time, would have worked for Jamieson until his retirement or death, which occured in 1836.

For more detail of William Jamieson see: viewtopic.php?f=57&t=20980

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Re: Some Known Journeymen Silversmiths

Postby buckler » Wed Jul 28, 2010 12:58 pm

George Burrows (cont ).
MILES ASCOUGH. Named as bucklecutter working for George Burrows as either journeyman or sub-contractor in 1779 in Proceedings of the Old Bailey t17790707-26.

The IGI shows Ascough as a variant of Askew. He is probably the Miles Askew who entered a mark as smallworker 30th September 1784 (Grimwade 1992).
Several buckles have been seen with his mark, including one heavy gauge pair, with the owners initials MA, which may have been made for him or a family member
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Re: Some Known Journeymen Silversmiths

Postby dognose » Sat Jul 31, 2010 5:27 am

Sampson Mordan & Co.
John Shirley (Foreman)

9th August 1851. Drowned while bathing at Ramsgate, aged 64, John Shirley. His loss is deeply regretted by his employers, Sampson Mordan & Co. of the City Road, in whose service he has lived as Foreman for 30 years.

Gentleman's Magazine Vol.36, 1851.

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Re: Some Known Journeymen Silversmiths

Postby dognose » Fri Oct 08, 2010 3:01 pm

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J. Trendell - Reading - 1821

James Trendell was noted as working from 1819 to at least 1852, at 55, Minster Street, Reading, Berkshire.

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Re: Some Known Journeymen Silversmiths

Postby buckler » Mon Oct 11, 2010 7:10 pm

Benjamin Bickerton
"Charles Moreton was transported for stealing several silver buttons from Benjamin Bickerton where he was journeyman"
Bingley's Journal (London, England), Saturday, July 11, 1772; Issue 111.

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Re: Some Known Journeymen Silversmiths

Postby dognose » Sat Oct 30, 2010 12:56 pm

Edward Jackson of York

John Buck (apprentice) Indentured 12th May 1818 for a period of seven years. Son of John Buck of York, Publican. Believed to have worked in Sheffield as a silversmith c.1830.

Thomas Riley (apprentice) Indentured 9th April (August?) 1821 for a period of seven years. Son of John Riley of York, Tailor.

William Horner (apprentice) Indentured 1st May 1822 for a period of seven years. Son of John Horner of York, Labourer.

Whether any of the above completed their apprenticeships with Jackson is doubtful as Jackson was declared bankrupt in 1824. William Horner for sure did not complete his apprenticeship, for on the 21th of February 1829, the York Herald reported this information in the Deaths Notices:

"On Saturday last, after a short illness, aged 21, Mr. Wm. Horner, of this city, silversmith."

William Horner died on the 14th February 1829.

John Whip (journeyman) A former apprentice to the partnership of Hampston, Prince and Cattles, John Whip is believed to have worked as a journeyman to Edward Jackson c.1821 before leaving York to set up business in Sheffield. See: viewtopic.php?f=54&t=15994

Further information on Edward Jackson can be found at: viewtopic.php?f=38&t=20837

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