What-is-it question XL

What was this used for? - PHOTO REQUIRED
Granmaa
co-admin
Posts: 1734
Joined: Sun Apr 09, 2006 9:32 am
Location: London
Contact:

What-is-it question XL

Postby Granmaa » Fri Apr 20, 2007 7:33 am

Here is a sweet little object of which I am the proud owner; it is 13cm long, hallmarked for London 1794 and possibly made by Charles Watts, though any conformation of this would be gratefully received.

What's it called and what's it for?

Miles

Image Image
.

dognose
Site Admin
Posts: 40378
Joined: Thu Dec 29, 2005 12:53 pm
Location: England

Postby dognose » Fri Apr 20, 2007 8:03 am

Hi Miles,
When I first saw this item I thought it was a tounge depresser, but I get the feeling something is missing, I could understand one hole for hanging but cannot see the reason for the others, is it the same thickness along its length?,
It certainly is a nice interesting piece,
Regards Trev.
.

Granmaa
co-admin
Posts: 1734
Joined: Sun Apr 09, 2006 9:32 am
Location: London
Contact:

Postby Granmaa » Fri Apr 20, 2007 8:22 am

You're right Trev, it's a tongue depressor. I really thought this one would prove difficult!

It's about twice as thick at the end with the holes. I'm not quite sure of their use; perhaps to act as grip in case it starts sliding down the patients throat!
What do you think about the maker?

Miles
.

Hose_dk
contributor
Posts: 1461
Joined: Sun May 28, 2006 1:39 pm
Location: Denmark

Postby Hose_dk » Fri Apr 20, 2007 2:53 pm

Do you not think that the holes are for holding a handle - I could imagine that a white bone handle could be fastened.
Just a guess.
.

dognose
Site Admin
Posts: 40378
Joined: Thu Dec 29, 2005 12:53 pm
Location: England

Postby dognose » Fri Apr 20, 2007 3:01 pm

Hi Miles,
Yes, I think it has to be Charles Watts, I did wonder about about Charles Wright but Grimwade has him retiring in 1790, Fallon has him resigning from the Goldsmiths Company in the same year,
Regards Trev.
.

admin
Site Admin
Posts: 2489
Joined: Fri Apr 01, 2005 6:52 pm

Postby admin » Fri Apr 20, 2007 3:27 pm

There was a tendency at the time to decorate even the most utilitarian items. If it just had two holes, I would agree that it could have had ivory, bone or hardwood plates rivet fastened as a handle, but the quatrefoil in the center is purely decorative.
Regards, Tom
.

Hose_dk
contributor
Posts: 1461
Joined: Sun May 28, 2006 1:39 pm
Location: Denmark

Postby Hose_dk » Fri Apr 20, 2007 5:51 pm

Perhaps decorative. If we think ivory - a piece of ebony in form of a "flower" or similar could have been in the middle. That could explain the 4 holes.
.

dognose
Site Admin
Posts: 40378
Joined: Thu Dec 29, 2005 12:53 pm
Location: England

Postby dognose » Sat Apr 21, 2007 12:28 pm

Hi,
Agree with hose dk thats just how I could imagine it,
Regards Trev.
.

admin
Site Admin
Posts: 2489
Joined: Fri Apr 01, 2005 6:52 pm

Postby admin » Sat Apr 21, 2007 1:42 pm

While searching the net for old depressor designs, I pretty much got an overview of the last 200 years of their forms. Enough, both old and brand new, have piercings that lead me to believe they serve a purpose beyond the decorative.
Image Image

Regards, Tom
.

Granmaa
co-admin
Posts: 1734
Joined: Sun Apr 09, 2006 9:32 am
Location: London
Contact:

Postby Granmaa » Sat Apr 28, 2007 2:22 pm

The positioning of the hallmarks on this one suggests that the holes are not for a handle.

Miles

Image
.

Granmaa
co-admin
Posts: 1734
Joined: Sun Apr 09, 2006 9:32 am
Location: London
Contact:

Postby Granmaa » Tue May 01, 2007 9:57 am

An auctioneer has told me that the holes signify which end one is meant to hold.

Miles
.

Granmaa
co-admin
Posts: 1734
Joined: Sun Apr 09, 2006 9:32 am
Location: London
Contact:

Postby Granmaa » Mon Jun 18, 2007 7:23 am

I came across this diagram in Table Knives and Forks by Simon Moore; it suggests that the two holes could be for the handle rivets and the quatrefoil (which was cut in both scales of the handle) acts as a susppension loop.

Miles

Image
.

frenchie_myriam
contributor
Posts: 236
Joined: Sat Aug 06, 2005 3:05 pm
Location: Brussels

Postby frenchie_myriam » Fri Aug 03, 2007 11:08 am

Hi Miles,

Could be part of a bookmark missing its upper part to hold the page

Best Regards
Myriam
.

Granmaa
co-admin
Posts: 1734
Joined: Sun Apr 09, 2006 9:32 am
Location: London
Contact:

Postby Granmaa » Fri Aug 03, 2007 1:54 pm

Hi Myriam,

Almost certainly not. It is too heavy for a bookmark and I've never seen an 18th century bookmark before. These items are described as tongue depressors.

Miles
.

frenchie_myriam
contributor
Posts: 236
Joined: Sat Aug 06, 2005 3:05 pm
Location: Brussels

Postby frenchie_myriam » Fri Aug 03, 2007 4:52 pm

Dear Miles,

As you did not mention the weight it was just a wild guess. Nevertheless you should contact member GERRYL. He is a bookmark collector and he should be able to help you to confirm if yes or no it could be part of a bookmark. Some of his are really large in size so the 13 cms long did not surprise me.

Best Regards. Myriam
.


Return to “Mystery Objects”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 5 guests