Silver? decorated plate

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TheSilverBug
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Silver? decorated plate

Postby TheSilverBug » Sat Oct 28, 2017 6:43 pm

Hello, I am unsure whether this item is silver or not, so I am posting it in the silverplate category.
The first photo gives an overview of the front,
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The second photo shows a close up of the crown imprinted on the front.
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A close up of what I believe to be a hallmark of some kind, I have had no luck finding any more info about it. It looks to me like a lion passant above another mark. My sister suggested it may be mountains, I think it looks like the legs of a reclining person. Let me know if think of anything it could be.
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A photo of the back.
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Showing the location of five marks on the back,
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A close up of these marks, they seem to be identical, my Dad suggested they may be marks left by a gripping devise of some kind, any guesses?
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This shows what I believe to be repair work done to it, some kind of soldering. It also appears else where, such as in middle where a crack goes through the item and has been repaired.
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This item has me very confused. If anyone can give me any advise at all it would be very much appreciated! Thanks in advance! :)
If you would like any more photos I can try to get some more. Let me know,
Justin

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Re: Silver? decorated plate

Postby legrandmogol » Sun Oct 29, 2017 9:46 am

Hi, lovely plate. I don't have my books with me at the moment but I believe your charger is 18th-century Spanish colonial and comes from Guatemala. It could also be a tourist reproduction as well. I need to check my books first and match the marks up. It could also be directly from Spain, a lot of their marks are similar. If you view viewtopic.php?t=17644 you'll see a very similar plate with similar marks.

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Re: Silver? decorated plate

Postby TheSilverBug » Sun Oct 29, 2017 10:33 am

Thank you legrandmogol. That is very helpful. Now I have a new lead to track down. Thanks to your info I was able to find this post with similar markings. http://925-1000.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=42667

And a second with a more detailed hallmark.
viewtopic.php?f=32&t=33223&p=88502

Hopefully more opinions will help us get some clarity on what it is.
Thanks,
Justin

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Re: Silver? decorated plate

Postby legrandmogol » Sun Oct 29, 2017 10:42 am

When I get back to my apartment on Monday I will try to remember to check my books. The Leona Davis book "Spanish Colonial Silver" is very very helpful and last I checked it costs less than $15 on amazon used. I also have a book on Spanish silver marks that may help but that book, unfortunately, is very very expensive. I

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Re: Silver? decorated plate

Postby legrandmogol » Mon Oct 30, 2017 9:03 pm

Hi again! Just wanted to let you know that I did check my resources and it would seem that you have an authentic 18th century (1700's) Guatemalan Salad plate. There is a very similar one in Leona Davis's book and the marks match up to some in my Dictionary of Spanish Silver. I don't know where you found it but I am extremely jealous. ;-)

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Re: Silver? decorated plate

Postby dragonflywink » Tue Oct 31, 2017 5:04 am

Just as a note: the full name of the author of 'Spanish Colonial Silver' (1974) is Leona Davis Boylan...

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Re: Silver? decorated plate

Postby legrandmogol » Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:18 am

should an admin move this post to South American silver?

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Re: Silver? decorated plate

Postby dognose » Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:25 am

It's already there.

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Re: Silver? decorated plate

Postby TheSilverBug » Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:48 pm

I am very excited that it appears to be authentic, if anyone thinks otherwise please let me know, I like to know if items in my collection are real or not.
I found it at a thrift store, and when I picked it up my heart skipped a beat. I didn't know what it was, but it just felt right! I was so excited I held it while the teller rang it in, so they didn't accidentally drop it. :)
Thanks again for your help legrandmogol!
Do you think it is the type of item I need to get authenticated? If it were British silver I wouldn't bother since I know it fairly well. If so where would you recommend?
Here are the dimensions and what not for future reference;
9 3/4" diameter at the furthest point,
just under 7" inner circle,
0.5 mm thick rim,
656.50 g

Thanks,
Justin

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Re: Silver? decorated plate

Postby legrandmogol » Tue Oct 31, 2017 8:12 pm

Honestly, I am not sure where you would get it authenticated but you could try taking it to a reputable auction house and see what the say. There aren't as many collectors of Spanish colonial silver as there used to be. In the mere two books, I have on this subject they list fake colonial silver marks but there are none listed for Guatemala and all of the marks pictured look fairly different. Colonial Guatemala was a much larger area than the present country and encompassed most of Central America and parts of southern Mexico and I don't know if they had a central assay office but I doubt it was strictly enforced if there was.

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Re: Silver? decorated plate

Postby TheSilverBug » Tue Oct 31, 2017 8:14 pm

Thanks also for the suggestion on the reference book. I have just ordered a copy.
Justin


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