Antiko 100 and 800 German silver plate?

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Antiko 100 and 800 German silver plate?

Postby Essexboy Fisher » Tue Jun 18, 2013 2:36 pm

Hello I wonder if anyone from the forum can help with some confusion I have had over some terminology regarding foreign silver plate. I originally had a souvenir spoon from Oberammergau and the back of the finial is shown below.
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I assumed that "antiko 100" was a German version of silver plate. I was happy with that explanation until a friend of mine offered me a souvenir spoon from Bremen that he described as silver. This had "antiko 800" on the back of the finial (see below).
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He was adamant that this was silver. I believed if it was a German silver spoon there should be a crescent and crown mark on it but I bought it in the hope I could prove him wrong or find out once and finally about the terminology. I know that there are some notations on some silver plate that tell the amount of silver that has been used in the plating process. Is this what these different numbers are? I tried some inter net research but found no independent convincing information to clarify things. There are advertisements asking a high price for items labeled antiko 800. I am hoping the forum members can put facts right for me and possibly also for others.
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Re: Antiko 100 and 800 German silver plate?

Postby dragonflywink » Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:16 pm

The first is silverplate, the second is 800 silver - the lack of a crescent moon & crown is not at all uncommon. 'ANTIKO' is a brand name, most I've seen have been mid-20th century souvenir spoons and Hildesheimer Rose pieces, can be found fairly often with original boxes and/or hang-tags stating whether they're solid or plated (in addition to the marks).

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Re: Antiko 100 and 800 German silver plate?

Postby Bahner » Wed Jun 19, 2013 2:30 am

Hello, "Antiko" is a mark used by the Kohlbecker Silberwarenfabrik, today in Birkenfeld, Germany. Best wishes, Bahner

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Re: Antiko 100 and 800 German silver plate?

Postby dognose » Wed Jun 19, 2013 4:37 am

Hi Fishless,

I'm informed that that the name 'ANTIKO' has been in use since 1959. It is formed from the words 'ANTIque' and 'KOhlbecker'. Heinz Kohlbecker established his business, Kohlbecker Silberwarenfabrik, at Pforzheim in 1946.

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Re: Antiko 100 and 800 German silver plate?

Postby Essexboy Fisher » Wed Jun 19, 2013 5:09 pm

Thank you Cheryl, Bahner and Trev for your particularly prompt and expansive replies. It seems I will have tell my friend he was correct in his assertion that Antiko 800 represents a grade of silver and not a form of silver plate. Am I the only person that did not know that was true? At least I know now, if anyone puts “Antiko” in a search engine, an unequivocal statement is likely to be readily found.
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Re: Antiko 100 and 800 German silver plate?

Postby DianaGaleM » Thu Sep 05, 2013 8:14 pm

800 is to German silver what 925 is to Sterling. That is, 800 means 80% silver, just as 925 means 92.5% silver. 800 is legally the lowest grade of "echtsilber" (= genuine/real silver) allowed in Germany, and it is by far the most common grade found.

100 means the thickness of the silverplate is equivalent to that of 100 grams of silver being used on a "standard plate lot," which consists of 12 place forks and 12 place spoons. I've seen silverplate pieces stamped from 40 to 150, but 90 is pretty much the standard, and it's by far the most common, so 100 is a step up. The older a piece of German silverplate is, the more you appreciate the value the thicker plating.

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Re: Antiko 100 and 800 German silver plate?

Postby Essexboy Fisher » Mon Sep 09, 2013 3:37 pm

Thank you DianaGaleM for your added imput, particularly for consolidating those points I had remembered about some continental silver plating methods.
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Re: Antiko 100 and 800 German silver plate?

Postby dognose » Wed Jun 04, 2014 11:09 am

Another example of the Antiko 800 mark:


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Re: Antiko 100 and 800 German silver plate?

Postby petasue » Mon Dec 18, 2017 4:33 pm

thanks DianaGaleM
you have clarified the difference between 90, 100 and 800 german marks.
i never understood before.

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Re: Antiko 100 and 800 German silver plate?

Postby dognose » Mon Dec 18, 2017 5:37 pm

Hi,

Welcome to the Forum.

See: http://www.925-1000.com/a_platenumbers.html

Trev.


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