Help with the maker

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APRpt
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Help with the maker

Postby APRpt » Fri Oct 05, 2018 3:32 pm

Hello all!

I need I little help, I can't identify the maker nor the town where this piece was manufactured.
The assay master, I think that should be Josef Sosnkowski, but can't find anything referent to the mark С.Б. Can someone identify the maker and town please?

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Thanks in advance

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Re: Help with the maker

Postby papas » Fri Oct 05, 2018 5:35 pm

APRpt wrote:Hello all!

I need I little help, I can't identify the maker nor the town where this piece was manufactured.
The assay master, I think that should be Josef Sosnkowski, but can't find anything referent to the mark С.Б. Can someone identify the maker and town please?

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Thanks in advance


Hi,
I think the city is Warsaw as the assay master is Josef Sosnkowski who worked in Warsaw from 1869 until 1896.
No idea about the maker

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Re: Help with the maker

Postby Goldstein » Fri Oct 05, 2018 5:36 pm

Hi APRpt -

I think it is B. Szkarlat 1850-1900 from Warzaw. He used several marks.

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Goldstein

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Re: Help with the maker

Postby AG2012 » Fri Oct 05, 2018 5:54 pm

Hi,
It is С dot Б, not vice versa.
Only in Hungarian family name stands first.
From PL:
The only OC assayer was unknown assayer in St Peterburg
PL 1188 (unknown assayer 1875 - 1886)
С dot Б matches Semen Bogdanov in StPeterburg. (PL 1403)

From Skurlov:
БОГДАНОВ Семен Трофимович, 1828–1875: СДМ. Постникова—Лосева: клеймо № 1403.

But town mark does not match StPeterburg.

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Re: Help with the maker

Postby Goldstein » Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:47 pm

Hi -

maybe I am blind and can not recognize 2 eagles...

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By the way - a photo of the entire object would help !

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Goldstein

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Re: Help with the maker

Postby Goldstein » Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:54 pm

Hi -

here some Warsaw marks - townmark eagle!

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Re: Help with the maker

Postby AG2012 » Sat Oct 06, 2018 3:22 am

I was misled by the error in PL in regard of ``OC`` assayers (Minsk,St Peterburg and Warsaw),repeated by Tardy and Geoffrey Watts.

Josef Sosnkowski's "OC" assayer's mark appears exclusively alongside the many Warsaw maker's marks.

( "O" comes from "Osip", a colloquial variant of "Iosef" ).

His mark is often found on faked ``Judaica`` items.

Therefore, the image of the whole item is always needed.
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Re: Help with the maker

Postby Qrt.S » Sat Oct 06, 2018 3:46 am

It is Warsaw and the assayer is Osip Sosnkovsky as Goldstein already pointed out. Postnikova's #1188 is a mistake. Nothing indicates that Sosnkovsky would have ever assayed in St- Petersburg. The mark OC belongs undoubtedly to Warsaw. As a matter of fact, St Petersburg did not use the double headed eagle anymore as a town mark during the 19th century but the crossed anchor grapnel and scepter.

As AG2012 mentioned there is a Semen Bogdanov in St. P at that time but that is a pure coincidence.

For the records: There is another mistake on the same page in Postnikova.
#1178 (IB) has nothing to do with St. Petersburg. The mark belongs to assayer Jan Biedgunkowsky in Warsaw 1860-1865.

Unfortunately there are many mistakes in Postnikova. Just to mention a big one; Minsk on page 201. Most of the maker's marks as well as assayers' marks #1894 (Walery Kostrzebsky 1852-1860) and #1898 (earlier mentioned Osip Sosnkowsky) belong to Warsaw.
Sorry a bit out of topic, but important info anyway.

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Re: Help with the maker

Postby Qrt.S » Sat Oct 06, 2018 3:58 am

@AG2012
I was writing while your comment came in. Fine that we agree. However, please do not refer to Watts, it is one of the poor copies of Postnikova.

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Re: Help with the maker

Postby Goldstein » Sat Oct 06, 2018 6:44 am

Hi all -
for the interested - the best book on Polish silver marks:

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http://www.agraart.pl/silver/index.php? ... 66&cnt=169

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Goldstein

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Re: Help with the maker

Postby APRpt » Sat Oct 06, 2018 2:16 pm

Hey guys!

Thanks for your answers!
The piece in question is from my father who is antiquarian, I will ask him to send me a photo of the piece to put here.
Once again, thank you very much for your help !!

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Re: Help with the maker

Postby Dad » Sun Oct 21, 2018 2:43 pm

Hi

This hallmarks looks like fals marks.
I think the item is from "pseudo jewish theme".

Best Reg..

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Re: Help with the maker

Postby AG2012 » Sun Oct 21, 2018 3:22 pm

This hallmarks looks like fals marks.
I think the item is from "pseudo jewish theme".

We should have asked for the image of the whole item.
If it`s ``Judaica`` Dad is probably right.
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