A XVIII century fake?

MARK IMAGE REQUIRED
Post Reply
amena
contributor
Posts: 1305
Joined: Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:42 am

A XVIII century fake?

Post by amena »

Today I saw an object that intrigued me and put me some doubt.
Image

Image
It looks like an 18th century baptismal cup, but it has an engraving more appropriate for a death than a birth.
Image

Image
The letters are probably Cyrillic and the marks, which would look like silver marks, are completely unknown to me.
Image

Image
The object, however, on the back, is very worn up so to show the underlying metal.
Image

Image
As far as I know, they did not use marks for silverplate in the 18th century.
Could it be a fake from that century?
Every opinion will be appreciated.
Thanks
Amena
AG2012
contributor
Posts: 5576
Joined: Fri Apr 13, 2012 9:47 am

Re: A XVIII century fake?

Post by AG2012 »

Hi,
Could be very early 18th century Moscow;
Alderman in a trefoil, maker in a rectangle and date code in old Slavic alphabet.
Try to make sharper images of the marks, particularly date mark.
Regards
AG2012
contributor
Posts: 5576
Joined: Fri Apr 13, 2012 9:47 am

Re: A XVIII century fake?

Post by AG2012 »

Cannot find marks in Postnikova book.
The ring is very unusual.
ALEKS
contributor
Posts: 118
Joined: Wed Jan 10, 2018 2:35 pm
Location: Sevastopol

Re: A XVIII century fake?

Post by ALEKS »

Image
AG2012
contributor
Posts: 5576
Joined: Fri Apr 13, 2012 9:47 am

Re: A XVIII century fake?

Post by AG2012 »

I stand corrected.It really looks like Tbilisi mark with year in Georgian, NOT Slavic alphabet
Assayed at Tbilisi mint (ТМД - Тифлисский монетный двор).It was closed in 1835 as far as I have found (not 1832).
So, it can be dated 1804 - 1835.
The engraving is not uncommon in liturgical items (found on baptism and communion spoons,too).
Not very familiar with liturgical practice but definitively church silver.
amena
contributor
Posts: 1305
Joined: Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:42 am

Re: A XVIII century fake?

Post by amena »

Hi AG 2012
thanks for informations.
It remains an unresolved question: how to interpret the skinning indicated by the red arrows?
Image

Image
Obviously I could not verify which metal had appeared in the stripped area and I can not take other pictures because I did not buy the item.
What is your opinion?
Amena
AG2012
contributor
Posts: 5576
Joined: Fri Apr 13, 2012 9:47 am

Re: A XVIII century fake?

Post by AG2012 »

I have seen this kind of flaking in silver caused by crudely rolled or hammered silver sheets used for silversmithing. In short, I think it`s not another metal showing up.There was probably an old repair,too.Besides,Tbilisi mint was a reliable assay office.
Regards
amena
contributor
Posts: 1305
Joined: Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:42 am

Re: A XVIII century fake?

Post by amena »

I understand what you mean, but it was also wear out elsewhere, just where rested the bowl, and so I became suspicious.
Image

Image
I pointed this out to the seller, who could not give a justification, but agreed that perhaps the object was plated.
In the end I decided not to buy the piece, maybe I did well, maybe I have done wrong, who knows.....
AG2012
contributor
Posts: 5576
Joined: Fri Apr 13, 2012 9:47 am

Re: A XVIII century fake?

Post by AG2012 »

Early 19th century in this condition is not something to regret. Your decision was sound.
Cheers
amena
contributor
Posts: 1305
Joined: Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:42 am

Re: A XVIII century fake?

Post by amena »

Hi AG2012
Thanks for cooperation.
Best
Amena
Qrt.S
contributor
Posts: 3801
Joined: Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:32 am
Location: Helsinki Finland

Re: A XVIII century fake?

Post by Qrt.S »

There is a saying "Broken is broken and therefore more or less worthless..." BUT! If it is 2000 years old it is acceptable. This object is not that old...;-)))
Hose_dk
contributor
Posts: 1526
Joined: Sun May 28, 2006 1:39 pm
Location: Denmark

Re: A XVIII century fake?

Post by Hose_dk »

I would not mind buying this.
Qrt.S
contributor
Posts: 3801
Joined: Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:32 am
Location: Helsinki Finland

Re: A XVIII century fake?

Post by Qrt.S »

@Hose
Why?
Post Reply

Return to “German, French, Dutch, Russian, Scandinavian or Other - Single Image”