Need help with maker's mark and date
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Need help with maker's mark and date
Hello everyone,
Here is a lovely german dip pen but I cannot trace who the maker can be as well as date. Can anyone help ?
Thanking you in advance
Best Regards
Myriam
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Here is a lovely german dip pen but I cannot trace who the maker can be as well as date. Can anyone help ?
Thanking you in advance
Best Regards
Myriam
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Here is the link to the mark Myriam. It´s the 16th mark down, on the right side of the page.
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Andy
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Andy
Hello, even this mark is listed as that of Trunck, this is not so. It is the mark of Martin Mayer from Mainz, first registered in 1894. It is the wheel from the coat of arms of Mainz, together with a little star on the side. The two digit number represents the object: '13' is for match boxes, '17' for bottle stands, '24' for belt buckles etc. The style suggests a date around 1905. Best wishes, Bahner
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Hello Andy and Bahner,
This forum is really great because your mail exchange has just solved an enigma because I have another dip pen with the mark you have on the buckle so now I know I have 2 pieces by Martin Mayer.
Do not hesitate if you need some help with french silver. It would be my pleasure to return the favour.
Have a great day
Myriam
This forum is really great because your mail exchange has just solved an enigma because I have another dip pen with the mark you have on the buckle so now I know I have 2 pieces by Martin Mayer.
Do not hesitate if you need some help with french silver. It would be my pleasure to return the favour.
Have a great day
Myriam
Hi All,
Interestingly, the mark was originally catalogued on German Hallmarks after 1886 as Mayer's. About a year ago I received an email from Germany, the writer explained that if the star was above the wheel, it was Trunck and if to the right it was Mayer. As Krekel-Aalberse in "Art Nouveau & Art Deco Silver" illustrates Mayer's mark with the star to the right (as on Myriam's pen), it seemed logical enough to make the change. The mark on GD's buckle refutes this, as do Bahner's sources.
I will change the attribution back to Mayer, but I'm now curious to see if there is any record of a mark, aside from stamped name, for Trunck. Bahner, can you have a look around for one? Unfortunately, I can't find the original email to recontact the Trunck attributor.
Regards, Tom
Interestingly, the mark was originally catalogued on German Hallmarks after 1886 as Mayer's. About a year ago I received an email from Germany, the writer explained that if the star was above the wheel, it was Trunck and if to the right it was Mayer. As Krekel-Aalberse in "Art Nouveau & Art Deco Silver" illustrates Mayer's mark with the star to the right (as on Myriam's pen), it seemed logical enough to make the change. The mark on GD's buckle refutes this, as do Bahner's sources.
I will change the attribution back to Mayer, but I'm now curious to see if there is any record of a mark, aside from stamped name, for Trunck. Bahner, can you have a look around for one? Unfortunately, I can't find the original email to recontact the Trunck attributor.
Regards, Tom
Hello, I have found no information whatsoever on a Trunck in Strassburg. There was a Ph. Trunck in Pforzheim, maker of silver chains, small silver jewellery etc. He is first documented around 1908 and seems to have been active well into the 1920ies. His mark was: letters 'P' and 'T' intertwined. I am a little sceptical about this statement concerning the placement of the star in the mark. Just a gut feeling, but it does not sound plausible. Best wishes, Bahner
Sorry to dredge up an old post, but since the photos are now unavailable I hope to get clarification. I own a sugar tongs bearing the Martin Mayer mark shown in the directory (horizontal oval frame, M, wheel with star above, M), along with the usual half moon, crown and 800. Is that the mark for export or just another alternate mark? Can this mark be dated in some manner? Thank you. [Sorry no photo, camera is down]