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i’ve bucket think it’s sheffield?

Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 3:37 pm
by tonysheffield
hi can you help date this? think it’s sheffield mark
someone has painted this lovely ice bucket will take me a while to carefully remove all the paint hope you can help me date this and perhaps put a maker to it too
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Re: i’ve bucket think it’s sheffield?

Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 3:43 pm
by tonysheffield
ice bucket!! dam auto correct

Re: i’ve bucket think it’s sheffield?

Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 4:02 pm
by silvermakersmarks
Definitely not Sheffield silver as the marks are all wrong, and it's therefore probably not even silver as there are no fineness marks.

Phil

Re: i’ve bucket think it’s sheffield?

Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 4:09 pm
by dognose
Hi,

That's a set of pseudo marks we've seen several times on the forum. They belong to a yet to be identified American silver-plate manufacturer.

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Trev.

Re: i’ve bucket think it’s sheffield?

Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 4:10 pm
by tonysheffield
but there is a lion mark does this not mean silver?

Re: i’ve bucket think it’s sheffield?

Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 4:12 pm
by tonysheffield
that’s a bit misleading lol well maybe not worth my time cleaning it up then

Re: i’ve bucket think it’s sheffield?

Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 5:45 pm
by silvermakersmarks
The lion passant only means it's silver if applied by an English assay office. There is nothing to prevent anybody from anywhere else in the world from using a lion passant mark to deceive the unwary.

Phil

Re: i’ve bucket think it’s sheffield?

Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2018 6:33 am
by Jazzman111
I started collecting silver folding fruit knives, both British and American, about a year ago. I quickly learned that, especially in the first half of the nineteenth century, it was quite routine for American silversmiths to use British hallmarks on their wares, including the lion rampant or a Queen Elizabeth "duty mark." One of the major producers of silverware, Albert Coles, was known to do this on a regular basis. The best that I've been able to determine is that they did this a) because, in the absence of international agreements in that era, they could with impunity; and b) the British hallmarks conveyed an impression of greater value to the products.

Re: i’ve bucket think it’s sheffield?

Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2018 12:16 am
by Traintime
Search ref: Lion Guardant in oval.