Can you tell me about Kraft Alpacca and Gelotet?

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Can you tell me about Kraft Alpacca and Gelotet?

Postby unfamiliar » Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:19 pm

Hi there,

I recently acquired this piece that acid tested 900+ silver on the mesh portion and <700 or none at all on the clasp and chain.

I make out the hallmark RK which I believe is Robert Kraft from Germany, working between 1900 and 1940? That puts it in line with the general age of the item.

Can't find any information on the Kraft Alpacca or Gelotet, however. Is it strange for it not to be marked 925 somewhere?

Anyway, here is the hallmark and item in question.:

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Re: Can you tell me about Kraft Alpacca and Gelotet?

Postby unfamiliar » Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:21 pm

I also can't make out the hallmark next to the RK.

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Re: Can you tell me about Kraft Alpacca and Gelotet?

Postby Joerg » Tue Jun 05, 2012 3:26 am

Hi¨

sorry to disappoint you, your item is silver plated. Alpacca is a trade name for Nickel Silver, also called German Silver. See here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickel_silver

It tests for silver because you were testing the silver plated base metal.
"Gelötet" is German for "Soldered", here mainly a quality indication. The chain basket is not only crimped on but soldered on.

So, German, silverplated item made by a manufacturer named Kraft.

Kind regards

Jörg

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Re: Can you tell me about Kraft Alpacca and Gelotet?

Postby unfamiliar » Tue Jun 05, 2012 3:43 am

Hi Jorg,

Are you certain? Because Robert Kraft and his hallmark are listed under the German Hallmarks section of the site:

http://www.925-1000.com/Fgerman_marks_a1884_3.html

Also how much silver plating could the mesh have? I rubbed pretty deep to acid test and it came out positive.

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Re: Can you tell me about Kraft Alpacca and Gelotet?

Postby salmoned » Tue Jun 05, 2012 3:53 am

I don't think you've searched very well. I googled 'gelotet' and the first hit was a translation from german to 'brazed or soldered'. It's possible the mesh is a solid silver alloy, but since the closure is not the item is not.

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Re: Can you tell me about Kraft Alpacca and Gelotet?

Postby unfamiliar » Tue Jun 05, 2012 3:56 am

salmoned wrote:I don't think you've searched very well. I googled 'gelotet' and the first hit was a translation from german to 'brazed or soldered'. It's possible the mesh is a solid silver alloy, but since the closure is not the item is not.


I searched quite well, actually. And the definition of Soldered doesn't mean Plated, which is why I still asked the question here.

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Re: Can you tell me about Kraft Alpacca and Gelotet?

Postby dognose » Tue Jun 05, 2012 4:53 am

Hi,

Welcome to the Forum.

It is quite usual for a manufacturer to be involved with the production of solid silver as well as plated wares. Had the item been marked with the 'Crown and Moon' mark, then it would have been solid silver. As it marked 'Alpacca' then the item is silver plated.

It would make no sense for a manufacturer to make an item out of solid silver and mark it as plated. I'm afraid your attempt to remove the surface will have caused permanent damage to the bag.

Trev.


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